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There was a lot to enjoy in the first speech made by Italy's new prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, who among other things did not shy away from the term "populism", which most Europeans try to flee from ([http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/06/06/italys-new-pm-vow-end-immigration/ 1],[https://www.politico.eu/article/new-italian-prime-minister-giuseppe-conte-is-proud-to-be-populist/ 2],[https://www.thelocal.it/20180605/italy-new-government-parliament-vote-of-confidence 3]). However, one of his agenda items was renegotiating the Dublin Agreement to give the EU ''more'' power over its member states on immigration issues, allowing it to force countries such as Hungary and Poland to accept refugees against their will ([https://www.thelocal.it/20180605/italy-giuseppe-conte-first-speech-summary 1],[http://www.dw.com/en/new-italian-pm-giuseppe-conte-vows-radical-change-in-inaugural-speech/a-44083685 2],[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-politics-speech-highlights/highlights-italian-prime-minister-giuseppe-contes-inaugural-speech-idUSKCN1J118M 3]). Interestingly, Interior Minister Matteo Salvini (who is in charge of immigration issues) said he would work with Hungary to fix Europe's immigration problems, (but then again, Salvini is a consistent conservative, unlike his M5S partners): [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/matteo-salvini-and-viktor-orban-form-unlikely-alliance-over-eu-migrants-vcxq2rjsc][https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/05/italys-new-eurosceptic-government-vows-work-hungary-change-eu/] I'm hopeful on this new government, but we should watch out that it doesn't turn into what it campaigned against. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 6 June 2018 (EDT)

There was a lot to enjoy in the first speech made by Italy's new prime minister, Giuseppe Conte, who among other things did not shy away from the term "populism", which most Europeans try to flee from ([http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/06/06/italys-new-pm-vow-end-immigration/ 1],[https://www.politico.eu/article/new-italian-prime-minister-giuseppe-conte-is-proud-to-be-populist/ 2],[https://www.thelocal.it/20180605/italy-new-government-parliament-vote-of-confidence 3]). However, one of his agenda items was renegotiating the Dublin Agreement to give the EU ''more'' power over its member states on immigration issues, allowing it to force countries such as Hungary and Poland to accept refugees against their will ([https://www.thelocal.it/20180605/italy-giuseppe-conte-first-speech-summary 1],[http://www.dw.com/en/new-italian-pm-giuseppe-conte-vows-radical-change-in-inaugural-speech/a-44083685 2],[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-politics-speech-highlights/highlights-italian-prime-minister-giuseppe-contes-inaugural-speech-idUSKCN1J118M 3]). Interestingly, Interior Minister Matteo Salvini (who is in charge of immigration issues) said he would work with Hungary to fix Europe's immigration problems, (but then again, Salvini is a consistent conservative, unlike his M5S partners): [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/matteo-salvini-and-viktor-orban-form-unlikely-alliance-over-eu-migrants-vcxq2rjsc][https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/06/05/italys-new-eurosceptic-government-vows-work-hungary-change-eu/] I'm hopeful on this new government, but we should watch out that it doesn't turn into what it campaigned against. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 6 June 2018 (EDT)

::I don't trust Conte. [https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2018/05/31/giuseppe-conte-ecco-chi-e-il-presidente-del-consiglio-del-governo-lega-m5s/4369287/ He was a leftist before he approached Five Star], a big tent movement that "catch-alls" from different ideologies. As far as I'm concerned, he hasn't renounced his leftism, so I assume he approached Five Star (and this coalition by extension) because he sees something in it for him as a leftist. Yes, he hates the EU and wants to deport the migrants. And then what? --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 10:15, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

:I don't trust Conte. [https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2018/05/31/giuseppe-conte-ecco-chi-e-il-presidente-del-consiglio-del-governo-lega-m5s/4369287/ He was a leftist before he approached Five Star], a big tent movement that "catch-alls" from different ideologies. As far as I'm concerned, he hasn't renounced his leftism, so I assume he approached Five Star (and this coalition by extension) because he sees something in it for him as a leftist. Yes, he hates the EU and wants to deport the migrants. And then what? --[[User:James Kardys|James Kardys]] ([[User talk:James Kardys|talk]]) 10:15, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

::The fact he was a leftist doesn't concern me as much as it apparently does you -- here in the U.S., people such as Peter Navarro, Matteo Salvini, and Steve Bannon were also leftists, or considered leftist, earlier in their lives, though they are now considered some of the strongest nationalist-conservatives around. Also, Conte has supports doing away unnecessary laws and supports trimming bureaucracy. I don't think Conte's background is concerning. I do agree that the M5S's flip-flopping on issues is concerning -- it was consistent under Grillo, but its current leader, Di Maio, is an opportunist who cares more about getting into a government position than taking principled stands on issues. I think that the government is in dangered to adopting an establishment outlook in order to (as it sees it) increase its popularity or because it doesn't have the guts to fight the European deep state. But on the bright side, the M5S is stuck with the League, which does take strong and principled stands on the issues. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 19:44, 7 June 2018 (EDT)