| | Except for the thing about the Gargoyle and Djali (not to mention Frollo hitting on Esme a little too much for a G-rated film), I actually think your claims are false. The Archdeacon is good and saved Quasi from Frollo and saved Esme by letting her claim sanctuary and tried to save both Esme and Quasi later, only to be stopped by Frollo and his men. Frollo is basically a self-righteous Pharisee. As for Esme, despite being looked down by Frollo's government, she is very noble in that, unlike liberals, she doesn't feel she is owed anything other than decency (she says "I ask for nothing, I can get by, but I know that there are others less lucky than I."). As for Captain Pheobus, he risks execution by his leader Frollo for disobeying a tyrannical order to burn the innocent alive. Also, Quasi doesn't even kill Frollo (he could have dropped him when he was hanging onto his cloak and Quasi was already in danger of falling and had learned that Frollo was responsible for his mother's death, yet he hung on and Frollo ended up doing himself in. Hardly a liberal movie. [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 00:21, 16 September 2017 (EDT) | | Except for the thing about the Gargoyle and Djali (not to mention Frollo hitting on Esme a little too much for a G-rated film), I actually think your claims are false. The Archdeacon is good and saved Quasi from Frollo and saved Esme by letting her claim sanctuary and tried to save both Esme and Quasi later, only to be stopped by Frollo and his men. Frollo is basically a self-righteous Pharisee. As for Esme, despite being looked down by Frollo's government, she is very noble in that, unlike liberals, she doesn't feel she is owed anything other than decency (she says "I ask for nothing, I can get by, but I know that there are others less lucky than I."). As for Captain Pheobus, he risks execution by his leader Frollo for disobeying a tyrannical order to burn the innocent alive. Also, Quasi doesn't even kill Frollo (he could have dropped him when he was hanging onto his cloak and Quasi was already in danger of falling and had learned that Frollo was responsible for his mother's death, yet he hung on and Frollo ended up doing himself in. Hardly a liberal movie. [[User:PatriotMongoose|PatriotMongoose]] ([[User talk:PatriotMongoose|talk]]) 00:21, 16 September 2017 (EDT) |
| − | :Not really. Yes, the Archdeacon was depicted in a good light, so in that sense, it promotes Christianity a bit more than, say, Beauty and the Beast (which depicts pretty much all the Christians in a very bad light in the village, while Belle, who is implied a few times to be an atheist or at the very least an agnostic, being depicted as a moral figure.). However, it isn't by much, as even ignoring Frollo, Christianity as a whole is depicted in a very bad light (don't forget the whole Parisian mob scene with the Feast of Fools, or how the parishman, NOT Frollo, but another parishioner of Notre Dame, was pretty cold to Quasimodo. And I might as well add that the whole scene with the Parisian people was if anything even WORSE in the Disney film than in the book, where the latter was simply them dealing corporate punishment, while in the former, they just did it out of sadism.). And let's not forget that it was also controversially received and the Catholic Church actually had some irritation at the film for how it was depicted. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:01, 16 September 2017 (EDT) | + | :Not really. Yes, the Archdeacon was depicted in a good light, so in that sense, it promotes Christianity a bit more than, say, Beauty and the Beast (which depicts pretty much all the Christians in a very bad light in the village, while Belle, who is implied a few times to be an atheist or at the very least an agnostic, being depicted as a moral figure.). However, it isn't by much, as even ignoring Frollo (and I wouldn't even say he's THAT bad, anyway: Maleficent from the original Sleeping Beauty was a whole lot worse), Christianity as a whole is depicted in a very bad light (don't forget the whole Parisian mob scene with the Feast of Fools, or how the parishman, NOT Frollo, but another parishioner of Notre Dame, was pretty cold to Quasimodo. And I might as well add that the whole scene with the Parisian people was if anything even WORSE in the Disney film than in the book, where the latter was simply them dealing corporate punishment, while in the former, they just did it out of sadism.). And let's not forget that it was also controversially received and the Catholic Church actually had some irritation at the film for how it was depicted. Besides, it definitely can't qualify as a conservative film when they have one of the gargoyles explicitly lusting after Djali (both of whom are male) and being treated positively for it. The Castlevania animated series on Netflix right now does a FAR better job promoting Christianity than Hunchback did. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 08:01, 16 September 2017 (EDT) |