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Debate:Did Joan of Arc truly hear voices? (view source)
Revision as of 10:54, February 19, 2007
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:: This is just a variant of the classic trilemma about Jesus (Lord, Liar or Lunatic). Now, it isn't as fallacious as in the Jesus case (there are probably 3 or 4 problems in the Jesus case that don't apply here(very OT, so I'm not going to go into that)) and it isn't as much attempting to take advantage of cultueral reverance as the classic trilemma. However, it is still just as weak- both Dpb and I have given examples of essentially crazy people who were able to do that sort of thing and as I pointed out, if anything, the evidence supporting Ramanujan is far stronger than that for Joan of Arc. Now, I don't think anyone here is going to run off and become Hindu... (incidentally, #2 isn't as implausible as it seems, people often get caught up in their lies, and may very well believe in a cause enough to lie for it and then die for it). [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 23:47, 18 February 2007 (EST)
:: This is just a variant of the classic trilemma about Jesus (Lord, Liar or Lunatic). Now, it isn't as fallacious as in the Jesus case (there are probably 3 or 4 problems in the Jesus case that don't apply here(very OT, so I'm not going to go into that)) and it isn't as much attempting to take advantage of cultueral reverance as the classic trilemma. However, it is still just as weak- both Dpb and I have given examples of essentially crazy people who were able to do that sort of thing and as I pointed out, if anything, the evidence supporting Ramanujan is far stronger than that for Joan of Arc. Now, I don't think anyone here is going to run off and become Hindu... (incidentally, #2 isn't as implausible as it seems, people often get caught up in their lies, and may very well believe in a cause enough to lie for it and then die for it). [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 23:47, 18 February 2007 (EST)
:::O goodness... I'm trying to remember... wasn't there was a terrible case, one of the famous Victorian "fasting girls" that claimed not to require any nourishment... they lived off the air, or something. Many of them were exposed as cheating in some way. But there was, I think, one of them that agreed to be put under conditions where cheating was difficult (no visits from family members or something like that) and starved to death rather than admit to a lie.
:::Click click: yes, [http://www.hutch.demon.co.uk/fasting_girl.htm]. Search on "Sarah Jacob" in that article. Or google on [http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=sarah+jacob+welsh+fasting+girl&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Sarah Jacob Welsh fasting girl]. [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] 05:54, 19 February 2007 (EST)
There is a great book about [[Joan of Arc]] by [[Mark Twain]]. I beleive she did actually hear voices. If she was lying, would she go to the point of death because she was lying? Then that would be saying she was lying AND she was crazy. There were many investigations made by the [[Vatican]] and the Pope of the time (I cant remeber his name) and found that what she spoke was true, therefore canonizing her and proclaimed a Saint and patron of [[France]]. Now you should read more on this if you are intrested. [http://http://www.amazon.com/Joan-Arc-Mark-Twain/dp/0898702682/sr=1-2/qid=1171823431/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-2143299-8371952?ie=UTF8&s=books Joan of Arc by Mark Twain] --[[User:Will N.|Will N.]] 13:33, 18 February 2007 (EST)
There is a great book about [[Joan of Arc]] by [[Mark Twain]]. I beleive she did actually hear voices. If she was lying, would she go to the point of death because she was lying? Then that would be saying she was lying AND she was crazy. There were many investigations made by the [[Vatican]] and the Pope of the time (I cant remeber his name) and found that what she spoke was true, therefore canonizing her and proclaimed a Saint and patron of [[France]]. Now you should read more on this if you are intrested. [http://http://www.amazon.com/Joan-Arc-Mark-Twain/dp/0898702682/sr=1-2/qid=1171823431/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-2143299-8371952?ie=UTF8&s=books Joan of Arc by Mark Twain] --[[User:Will N.|Will N.]] 13:33, 18 February 2007 (EST)