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::::Philip, I never said the Big Bang theory was unassailable. I'm willing to believe in any theory that does the better job in explaining reality. To me, that means giving numerical predicitions for such things as the temperature anisotropities of the cosmic microwave background and the primoridal Li/H elemntal abundances. If you think there is a better theory, then just quote the Li/H ratio predicted by that theory and compare it to observations of the Li/H ratios in stellar atmospheres. There's no point in arguing with words; just let the numerical predictions confirm which theory is the best description of reality.--[[User:Mackronking2|Mackronking2]] 11:06, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
::::Philip, I never said the Big Bang theory was unassailable. I'm willing to believe in any theory that does the better job in explaining reality. To me, that means giving numerical predicitions for such things as the temperature anisotropities of the cosmic microwave background and the primoridal Li/H elemntal abundances. If you think there is a better theory, then just quote the Li/H ratio predicted by that theory and compare it to observations of the Li/H ratios in stellar atmospheres. There's no point in arguing with words; just let the numerical predictions confirm which theory is the best description of reality.--[[User:Mackronking2|Mackronking2]] 11:06, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
:::::How do you suggest that I predict the Li/H ratio of "He also made the stars" (Genesis 1:16)? Clearly, God could make the ratio exactly as it is now, so the prediction would be 100% spot on. But that's not the real issue, is it? The real question is whether or not you are willing to admit God creating them as a possibility. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:19, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
:::::How do you suggest that I predict the Li/H ratio of "He also made the stars" (Genesis 1:16)? Clearly, God could make the ratio exactly as it is now, so the prediction would be 100% spot on. But that's not the real issue, is it? The real question is whether or not you are willing to admit God creating them as a possibility. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:19, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::Well, I couldn't have said it better myself. Your theory can't even predict the Li/H observed ratio. So on the one hand, we have a theory (Big Bang) that predicts the observed Li/H abundance ratio measured in stellar atmospheres. On the other hand, we have a theory (God did it) that makes no prediction whatsoever of the observed Li/H ratio observed in reality. Which comes closer to describing reality? The theory that makes a predicition that agrees with observations, or the theory that makes no predicition and can't explain the observations? That's a rhetorical question, since I think anyone reading this will understand my point.--[[User:Mackronking2|Mackronking2]] 11:27, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
== Young earth creationist view ==
== Young earth creationist view ==