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==Semantics==
 
==Semantics==
 
This debate is a semantic debate. What is a "universe?" If the universe contains everything, then nothing can be outside everything. This is a mathematical fact easy to prove. If God exists, he must exist within the universe. [[User:SEdwin|SEdwin]] 22:44, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
 
This debate is a semantic debate. What is a "universe?" If the universe contains everything, then nothing can be outside everything. This is a mathematical fact easy to prove. If God exists, he must exist within the universe. [[User:SEdwin|SEdwin]] 22:44, 20 June 2011 (EDT)
:To elaborate, if you define the universe as "everything physical" then there can be non-physical things outside it (if non-physical things exist). Some people define it as the (forgive me, but I use wikipedia links) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe observable universe], which only includes objects we can observe from Earth. This is why it's a semantic debate, until you know what each side is talking about. [[User:SEdwin|SEdwin]] 21:24, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
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:To elaborate, if you define the universe as "everything physical" then there can be non-physical things outside it (if non-physical things exist). Some people define it as the (forgive me, but I use wikipedia links) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe observable universe], which only includes objects we can observe from Earth. This is why it's a semantic debate, until you know what each side is talking about. [[User:SEdwin|SEdwin]] 21:24, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
 
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