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::I'm not a particularly good literary digger or filler of holes myself; I can refer you to a few sources by conservatives as I am able to pull them together, but some of these are quoted by a person who believes and has published together every damaging generalization [in the form of a mortality statistic, credible or not] people [have made] about Christianity, but on the other hand his quoting these conservatives lends him credibility, so I don't feel too guilty about not mentioning him specifically but just the sources.

::I'm not a particularly good literary digger or filler of holes myself; I can refer you to a few sources by conservatives as I am able to pull them together, but some of these are quoted by a person who believes and has published together every damaging generalization [in the form of a mortality statistic, credible or not] people [have made] about Christianity, but on the other hand his quoting these conservatives lends him credibility, so I don't feel too guilty about not mentioning him specifically but just the sources.

::Our militant atheism expert User:Conservative has found one of the conservative sources independently, Rummel, and quotes from him extensively, so he seems to find his reporting and sources pretty reliable.

::Our militant atheism expert User:Conservative has found one of the conservative sources independently, [Rudolph J.] Rummel, and quotes from him extensively, so he seems to find his reporting and sources pretty reliable.

::I'd like to do an itemized accounting like your suggestion would entail, but I don't know what the sources look like, and how difficult it would be to pull something like that together from them.  Maybe there should be a transition period when just the correction of the FIGURES that were already there are replaced by more accurate ones and an allowing of that to "sink in" for a while. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 15:03, 10 October 2018 (EDT)

::I'd like to do an itemized accounting like your suggestion would entail, but I don't know what the sources look like, and how difficult it would be to pull something like that together from them.  Maybe there should be a transition period when just the correction of the FIGURES that were already there are replaced by more accurate ones and an allowing of that to "sink in" for a while. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 15:03, 10 October 2018 (EDT)

Rahn was the husband of [[Peggy Noonan]], one of the [[Essay:Top conservatives on Twitter|Top Conservatives on Twitter]] that I located, vouching for the provenance of the information.

Rahn was the husband of [[Peggy Noonan]], one of the [[Essay:Top conservatives on Twitter|Top Conservatives on Twitter]] that I located, vouching for the provenance of the information.

Actually, this had been determined ten years prior as quoted by a Russian university organization<ref>Dyadkin, Iosef G. (1983). ''Demograficheskaya statistika neyestestvennoy smertnosti v SSSR'' [''Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954''] transl. Tania Deruguine (Piscataway NJ: Transaction Publishers [Rutgers University])</ref> reported 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" for the USSR overall, with 34 to 49 million under Stalin.

Actually, this <ref>Dyadkin, Iosef G. (1983). ''Demograficheskaya statistika neyestestvennoy smertnosti v SSSR'' [''Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954''] transl. Tania Deruguine (Piscataway NJ: Transaction Publishers [Rutgers University]).</ref> had been determined ten years prior as quoted by a Russian university organization reported 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" for the USSR overall, with 34 to 49 million under Stalin.

This university organization republished this [1983] account [in a book copyrighted] 1993 [and possibly published the year before] and may have been the very book mentioned by Richard Rahn.  It may have been misquoted in a ''Pravda'' article—if ''Pravda'' published it at all and was the mode of transmission—and picked up by Rahn or misunderstood by Rahn.  In 1993 this may have been the first official acknowledgement by Moscow of these figures or the first time ''Pravda'' had reported them.

This university organization republished this [1983] account [in a book copyrighted] 1993<ref>Adler, Nanci D. (1993).  ''Victims of Soviet Terror''. Praeger Security International Series (Westport, CT: Praeger Publishers).</ref> [and possibly published the year before, or the University organization may have publicized the findings in a press release] and may have been the very book mentioned by Richard Rahn.  It may have been misquoted in a ''Pravda'' article—if ''Pravda'' published it at all and was the mode of transmission—and picked up by Rahn or misunderstood by Rahn.  In 1993 this may have been the first official acknowledgement by Moscow of these figures or the first time ''Pravda'' had reported them.

Seven years after Dyadkin's book (1990), R. J. Rummel did extensive calculations and had written in 1990: 61,911,000 democides in the USSR 1917-87, of which 51,755,000 occurred during the Stalin years.

Seven years after Dyadkin's book (1990), R. J. Rummel did extensive calculations and had written in 1990: 61,911,000 democides in the USSR 1917-87, of which 51,755,000 occurred during the Stalin years.

:Rahn I think may be an economist formerly with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. If so, I'd have good confidence in his findings. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]} 19:16, 10 October 2018 (EDT)

:Rahn I think may be an economist formerly with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. If so, I'd have good confidence in his findings. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|''Deep Six the Deep State!'']]} 19:16, 10 October 2018 (EDT)

::Thank you for the encouragement/confirmation of data. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 02:11, 11 October 2018 (EDT)

::Thank you for the encouragement/confirmation of data. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) 02:11, 11 October 2018 (EDT)

 

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