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::::::Well, I couldn't have said it better myself. Your theory can't even predict the Li/H observed ratio. So on the one hand, we have a theory (Big Bang) that predicts the observed Li/H abundance ratio measured in stellar atmospheres. On the other hand, we have a theory (God did it) that makes no prediction whatsoever of the observed Li/H ratio observed in reality. Which comes closer to describing reality? The theory that makes a predicition that agrees with observations, or the theory that makes no predicition and can't explain the observations? That's a rhetorical question, since I think anyone reading this will understand my point.--[[User:Mackronking2|Mackronking2]] 11:27, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::Well, I couldn't have said it better myself. Your theory can't even predict the Li/H observed ratio. So on the one hand, we have a theory (Big Bang) that predicts the observed Li/H abundance ratio measured in stellar atmospheres. On the other hand, we have a theory (God did it) that makes no prediction whatsoever of the observed Li/H ratio observed in reality. Which comes closer to describing reality? The theory that makes a predicition that agrees with observations, or the theory that makes no predicition and can't explain the observations? That's a rhetorical question, since I think anyone reading this will understand my point.--[[User:Mackronking2|Mackronking2]] 11:27, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
:::::::You've twisted what I said. I didn't say that the creationist view cannot explain the observations, nor that your view better describes reality. The question is how that ratio came to be (history), not what it is (observation). Both ideas agree on the observations, and both can explain the origin of the ratio. The only difference may be that the creationary view might not (I didn't say "cannot") be able to "predict" the ratio from other information. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:40, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
:::::::You've twisted what I said. I didn't say that the creationist view cannot explain the observations, nor that your view better describes reality. The question is how that ratio came to be (history), not what it is (observation). Both ideas agree on the observations, and both can explain the origin of the ratio. The only difference may be that the creationary view might not (I didn't say "cannot") be able to "predict" the ratio from other information. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:40, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::::Your theory (God did it) cannot explain the origin of the observation. It's a tautology. It says the Li/H ratio is what it is because that's what it is. There is no predicition to your theory. It cannot be tested. It cannot be confirmed. It does not lead to any understanding. You can quote your theory for any observation in life and it doesn't bring you any closer to understanding reality. It's like saying "the craters on the Moon have the numbers and positions that they do because God made the Moon that way". No. They have the numbers and positions that they do because that was the particular history of meteorite impacts over time that gave rise to that pattern of impacts. One could therefore learn about the history of meteorites in the inner solar system by studying the pattern and coming up with a falsifible theory that explains it. Maybe the theory works. Maybe it doesn't and you need a better one. But at least it's an atempt to explain without evoking supernatural forces or magical "puff, they exist" explanations. Why is no "puff, they exist" explanation needed to exaplain a rainbow? We can predict the angular size of a rainbow based on the refraction properties of a water drop. You can predict it on paper and compare it to reality. That gives you an actual understanding of the phenomenon if your predicition agrees with reality. Just saying "God did it" doesn't give you any understanding. --[[User:Mackronking2|Mackronking2]] 04:07, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
Why would god make the Li/H ratio? (whatever the hell that is) [[User:Aknot|Aknot]] 13:50, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
Why would god make the Li/H ratio? (whatever the hell that is) [[User:Aknot|Aknot]] 13:50, 6 May 2007 (EDT)