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'''Liberals and reason''' do not mix, because as soon as the conversation turns toward reason and rationality, [[liberalism]] is on shaky ground. The typical liberal reaction to an argument which refutes a [[liberal]] position is to:
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'''Liberals and reason''' do not mix because, as soon as the conversation turns toward reason and rationality, [[liberalism]] is on shaky ground{{citation needed}}. The typical liberal reaction to an argument which refutes a [[liberal]] position is to:
 
*attack the character of the person making the argument (see [[ad hominem]])
 
*attack the character of the person making the argument (see [[ad hominem]])
 
*complain that the argument is too short or too long
 
*complain that the argument is too short or too long
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