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:::::The thing is, a lot of people who make the movies have some of the right ideas, but apply them to the wrong people. I already mentioned how the Empire from Star Wars was more realistically analogous to the Soviet Union, but also Palpatine from the prequel trilogy was more analogous to how Hitler came to power by slowly chipping away at German Democracy and consolidating power. Also, think about how much more Barack Obama consolidated power with his executive orders (which liberals who protested the Patriot Act ignored). And then there's Metal Gear Solid and the "patriots." There really are people like that, except it's the Deep State and the Media-Entertainment Complex, not the Military-Industrial complex as Kojima asserts. Ironically, the Big Boss antagonist from the original Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 was actually more like the REAL Che Guevara. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 11:58, 22 December 2018 (EST)

:::::The thing is, a lot of people who make the movies have some of the right ideas, but apply them to the wrong people. I already mentioned how the Empire from Star Wars was more realistically analogous to the Soviet Union, but also Palpatine from the prequel trilogy was more analogous to how Hitler came to power by slowly chipping away at German Democracy and consolidating power. Also, think about how much more Barack Obama consolidated power with his executive orders (which liberals who protested the Patriot Act ignored). And then there's Metal Gear Solid and the "patriots." There really are people like that, except it's the Deep State and the Media-Entertainment Complex, not the Military-Industrial complex as Kojima asserts. Ironically, the Big Boss antagonist from the original Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 was actually more like the REAL Che Guevara. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 11:58, 22 December 2018 (EST)

::::::Yeah, I'm still not too sure about that. Lucas did state that the Old Republic was analogous to Robespierre's France, after all (I believe his exact words were to the effect of "Why did France after they got rid of the king and that whole system turn around and give it to Napoleon?", and that was during the 2005 Cannes Film Festival), and that was closer to how Nazi Germany was like (and he also said in an interview with Charlie Rose that he thought Soviet film production had more "artistic freedom", as in, the same film production stuff that if you get on the leader's bad side you get shot, even if you did what he asked, heck, even if he actually LIKES your works as Shteyman learned the hard way, if The Death of Stalin is to be believed, is somehow better than the Hollywood system which, while having risks of losing money if you fail, at least doesn't land you with a bullet in your head). Not to mention, Palpatine's rise to power isn't even close to being similar to Nazi Germany. Maybe if the Republic had been forced to pay reparations during a prior war that they lost, and Palpatine had a ragtag bunch of militant homosexual socialists basically beating up bystanders to vote for him instead of communists, and basically being about as unstable as Kylo Ren, then I'd see more similarities, but as it is, it really doesn't look even slightly similar. Also, the Expanded Universe, the old one anyways, actually mentioned that the Corporate Sector Authority was largely given free reign by the Empire, the latter expanding its territory and even was largely hands off with it being implied that actually benefitted the galactic economy, and don't get me started on the immunity spheres (none of which Nazi Germany would have allowed, let alone the Soviets. In fact, if you were to suggest such concepts to the higher ups, whether Stalin or Lenin or Khrushchev, or anyone like that, they'd probably order for you to be hauled to the gulags at best and at worst shot on sight.). If anything, the Rebels boycotting the CSA comes closer to what the Soviets would have done. And besides, apparently Lucas also insisted that Saw Gerrera be based on Che Guevara, and if the official book Star Wars and History is to be believed, Mao Zedong's concept of a People's War also formed the basis of the Rebel Alliance (and Mao was even WORSE than Stalin and the Soviets regarding carnage, let alone Hitler and the Nazis).

::::::Yeah, I'm still not too sure about that. Lucas did imply that the Old Republic was analogous to Robespierre's France, after all (I believe his exact words were to the effect of "Why did France after they got rid of the king and that whole system turn around and give it to Napoleon?", and that was during the 2005 Cannes Film Festival), and that was closer to how Nazi Germany was like (and he also said in an interview with Charlie Rose that he thought Soviet film production had more "artistic freedom", as in, the same film production stuff that if you get on the leader's bad side you get shot, even if you did what he asked, heck, even if he actually LIKES your works as Shteyman learned the hard way, if The Death of Stalin is to be believed, is somehow better than the Hollywood system which, while having risks of losing money if you fail, at least doesn't land you with a bullet in your head). Not to mention, Palpatine's rise to power isn't even close to being similar to Nazi Germany. Maybe if the Republic had been forced to pay reparations during a prior war that they lost, and Palpatine had a ragtag bunch of militant homosexual socialists basically beating up bystanders to vote for him instead of communists, and basically being about as unstable as Kylo Ren, then I'd see more similarities, but as it is, it really doesn't look even slightly similar. Also, the Expanded Universe, the old one anyways, actually mentioned that the Corporate Sector Authority was largely given free reign by the Empire, the latter expanding its territory and even was largely hands off with it being implied that actually benefitted the galactic economy, and don't get me started on the immunity spheres (none of which Nazi Germany would have allowed, let alone the Soviets. In fact, if you were to suggest such concepts to the higher ups, whether Stalin or Lenin or Khrushchev, or anyone like that, they'd probably order for you to be hauled to the gulags at best and at worst shot on sight.). If anything, the Rebels boycotting the CSA comes closer to what the Soviets would have done. And besides, apparently Lucas also insisted that Saw Gerrera be based on Che Guevara, and if the official book Star Wars and History is to be believed, Mao Zedong's concept of a People's War also formed the basis of the Rebel Alliance (and Mao was even WORSE than Stalin and the Soviets regarding carnage, let alone Hitler and the Nazis).

::::::As far as Big Boss, yeah, having looked through the MSX2 games, he really didn't come across as being like Che at all. Unlike Che, who literally had to be muzzled by Khrushchev to stop him from causing nuclear war by nuking America during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Big Boss didn't seem to even try to launch nukes. Build them, sure, but most of the world did that. Heck, Snake wasn't even sent in to stop Metal Gear in MG2 unlike the first game or later games, he was sent in to basically rescue an abducted researcher and his alternate fuel formula. And then MGS1 just retcons the whole "Third Zero" thing anyways, basically killing off any bad elements of Big Boss afterward. And besides, Big Boss had a perfect opportunity to emulate his "idol" in the second ending of Peace Walker with ZEKE and Paz's hijacking of it to basically give her the goahead to launch a nuke on the Eastern Seaboard and frame MSF, just as Che intended to do with the CMC, yet he didn't. If anything, he risked his life to stop her. If any Metal Gear character came closer to acting like Che Guevara, it was Colonel Volgin, who actually DID attempt to cause World War III and even went as far as to actually launch a nuke to do so (not to mention was pretty much a sadistic bullying coward like Che, though that being said, even HE had more honor and courage than the real Che, who died begging like a dog), or ironically enough, Hot Coldman, who also attempted to start a nuclear war. And don't get me started on how Miller was even LESS likely to be a Che fanboy than Big Boss was, and yet he somehow came across as being even more of one than him at the same time. Besides, regarding the Patriots, Kojima basically made it clear they represented America and that we were the bad guys, in his Grand Game Plan, and then we get into his condemnation of Guantanamo Bay in Ground Zeroes. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 12:23, 22 December 2018 (EST)

::::::As far as Big Boss, yeah, having looked through the MSX2 games, he really didn't come across as being like Che at all. Unlike Che, who literally had to be muzzled by Khrushchev to stop him from causing nuclear war by nuking America during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Big Boss didn't seem to even try to launch nukes. Build them, sure, but most of the world did that. Heck, Snake wasn't even sent in to stop Metal Gear in MG2 unlike the first game or later games, he was sent in to basically rescue an abducted researcher and his alternate fuel formula. And then MGS1 just retcons the whole "Third Zero" thing anyways, basically killing off any bad elements of Big Boss afterward. And besides, Big Boss had a perfect opportunity to emulate his "idol" in the second ending of Peace Walker with ZEKE and Paz's hijacking of it to basically give her the goahead to launch a nuke on the Eastern Seaboard and frame MSF, just as Che intended to do with the CMC, yet he didn't. If anything, he risked his life to stop her. If any Metal Gear character came closer to acting like Che Guevara, it was Colonel Volgin, who actually DID attempt to cause World War III and even went as far as to actually launch a nuke to do so (not to mention was pretty much a sadistic bullying coward like Che, though that being said, even HE had more honor and courage than the real Che, who died begging like a dog), or ironically enough, Hot Coldman, who also attempted to start a nuclear war. And don't get me started on how Miller was even LESS likely to be a Che fanboy than Big Boss was, and yet he somehow came across as being even more of one than him at the same time. Besides, regarding the Patriots, Kojima basically made it clear they represented America and that we were the bad guys, in his Grand Game Plan, and then we get into his condemnation of Guantanamo Bay in Ground Zeroes. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 12:23, 22 December 2018 (EST)