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Talk:Essay:Worst Liberal Movies (view source)
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::::::As far as Big Boss, yeah, having looked through the MSX2 games, he really didn't come across as being like Che at all. Unlike Che, who literally had to be muzzled by Khrushchev to stop him from causing nuclear war by nuking America during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Big Boss didn't seem to even try to launch nukes. Build them, sure, but most of the world did that. Heck, Snake wasn't even sent in to stop Metal Gear in MG2 unlike the first game or later games, he was sent in to basically rescue an abducted researcher and his alternate fuel formula. And then MGS1 just retcons the whole "Third Zero" thing anyways, basically killing off any bad elements of Big Boss afterward. And besides, Big Boss had a perfect opportunity to emulate his "idol" in the second ending of Peace Walker with ZEKE and Paz's hijacking of it to basically give her the goahead to launch a nuke on the Eastern Seaboard and frame MSF, just as Che intended to do with the CMC, yet he didn't. If anything, he risked his life to stop her. If any Metal Gear character came closer to acting like Che Guevara, it was Colonel Volgin, who actually DID attempt to cause World War III and even went as far as to actually launch a nuke to do so (not to mention was pretty much a sadistic bullying coward like Che, though that being said, even HE had more honor and courage than the real Che, who died begging like a dog), or ironically enough, Hot Coldman, who also attempted to start a nuclear war. And don't get me started on how Miller was even LESS likely to be a Che fanboy than Big Boss was, and yet he somehow came across as being even more of one than him at the same time. Besides, regarding the Patriots, Kojima basically made it clear they represented America and that we were the bad guys, in his Grand Game Plan, and then we get into his condemnation of Guantanamo Bay in Ground Zeroes. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 12:23, 22 December 2018 (EST)
::::::As far as Big Boss, yeah, having looked through the MSX2 games, he really didn't come across as being like Che at all. Unlike Che, who literally had to be muzzled by Khrushchev to stop him from causing nuclear war by nuking America during the Cuban Missile Crisis, Big Boss didn't seem to even try to launch nukes. Build them, sure, but most of the world did that. Heck, Snake wasn't even sent in to stop Metal Gear in MG2 unlike the first game or later games, he was sent in to basically rescue an abducted researcher and his alternate fuel formula. And then MGS1 just retcons the whole "Third Zero" thing anyways, basically killing off any bad elements of Big Boss afterward. And besides, Big Boss had a perfect opportunity to emulate his "idol" in the second ending of Peace Walker with ZEKE and Paz's hijacking of it to basically give her the goahead to launch a nuke on the Eastern Seaboard and frame MSF, just as Che intended to do with the CMC, yet he didn't. If anything, he risked his life to stop her. If any Metal Gear character came closer to acting like Che Guevara, it was Colonel Volgin, who actually DID attempt to cause World War III and even went as far as to actually launch a nuke to do so (not to mention was pretty much a sadistic bullying coward like Che, though that being said, even HE had more honor and courage than the real Che, who died begging like a dog), or ironically enough, Hot Coldman, who also attempted to start a nuclear war. And don't get me started on how Miller was even LESS likely to be a Che fanboy than Big Boss was, and yet he somehow came across as being even more of one than him at the same time. Besides, regarding the Patriots, Kojima basically made it clear they represented America and that we were the bad guys, in his Grand Game Plan, and then we get into his condemnation of Guantanamo Bay in Ground Zeroes. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 12:23, 22 December 2018 (EST)
:::::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oiq9zFHHdw&t=830s This] is a typical example of people who are in serious denial about how there are in fact liberal elements in classic entertainment. Also, people who know REAL history and don't understand liberal Hollywood's extremely distorted view of history could easily miss what the filmmakers are attempting to make their movies analogous to, since it's actually not like what they really were. For example, Kojima, like so many liberals who wear those stupid Che t-shirts, has a very wrong idea of who Che Guevara really was. What Big Boss and Miller are hero-worshiping is that false strawman, not the real Che. The Hollywood liberals who advocate Socialism make Socialism look like what they think it is, but people who actually know what it really is don't see the parallel. For example, I grew up knowing what the Soviet Union and China were actually like, so I didn't get the fact that Star Trek's Federation depicts what Gene Roddenberry thought they were. The thing that I found the most bothersome was how the future was secularized under the idea of "we've outgrown such primitive superstitions." It wasn't until finding resources like Conservapedia that I learned just how off-the-rails these people are. Most laymen don't understand the overall leftist philosophy and how it has affected so many people throughout history. I think Dinesh D'souza needs to make a documentary explaining the influence of leftist ideology on Hollywood. He should call it "Commiewood" or something. I think this essay needs to have some of this kind of information in the intro explaining why this essay exists.[[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 13:21, 22 December 2018 (EST)
:::::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oiq9zFHHdw&t=830s This] is a typical example of people who are in serious denial about how there are in fact liberal elements in classic entertainment. Also, people who know REAL history and don't understand liberal Hollywood's extremely distorted view of history could easily miss what the filmmakers are attempting to make their movies analogous to, since it's actually not like what they really were. For example, Kojima, like so many liberals who wear those stupid Che t-shirts, has a very wrong idea of who Che Guevara really was. What Big Boss and Miller are hero-worshiping is that false strawman, not the real Che. The Hollywood liberals who advocate Socialism make Socialism look like what they think it is, but people who actually know what it really is don't see the parallel. For example, I grew up knowing what the Soviet Union and China were actually like, so I didn't get the fact that Star Trek's Federation depicts what Gene Roddenberry thought they were. The thing that I found the most bothersome was how the future was secularized under the idea of "we've outgrown such primitive superstitions." It wasn't until finding resources like Conservapedia that I learned just how off-the-rails these people are. Most laymen don't understand the overall leftist philosophy and how it has affected so many people throughout history. I think Dinesh D'souza needs to make a documentary explaining the influence of leftist ideology on Hollywood. He should call it "Commiewood" or something. I think this essay needs to have some of this kind of information in the intro explaining why this essay exists.[[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 13:21, 22 December 2018 (EST)
::::::::Yeah, that video you linked reminds me, we REALLY need to update the links on that site so that at the very least, there's a backup copy to thwart claims that we use nonexistent links. Too bad the search area of Archive.org is screwy right now, getting to a 404 error if I try to type any links in, so we actually can't do it right now (and believe me, I actually tried doing that. I don't get it, it's been screwy with intermittent periods of working since I think October).
::::::::And honestly, regarding Kojima, considering that's the same guy who not only mentioned the Katyn Forest Massacre and accurately pinned the blame on the Soviets, but also mentioned that America even before the Cuban Missile Crisis' conclusion was already planning to get rid of the Turkey silos anyway due to being rendered obsolete by nuclear subs in Metal Gear Solid 3 (which is information that's not likely to be taught at school, especially not the leftist-dominated schools), I'm doubtful he's got a "wrong idea" of what Che's like, since that would imply he was merely ignorant of the real Che. If anything, its more likely that he knows what Che's truly like, yet is DELIBERATELY pushing a false image of Che on the masses, which is even worse (almost Walter Duranty-levels worse). If he truly had been ignorant, he'd probably push the USSR as being the best thing since sliced bread like most leftists, or at least better than America (especially in MGS3). And to be fair, Roddenberry did base the Federation more on the United Nations than on the USSR and/or China, not that it really mattered since the UN was still garbage and a Trojan Horse Marxist organization from the get go, even with its more positive spin among the masses especially back then. And maybe most current Hollywood leftists are a bit ignorant about what actual socialism is like, but based on some stuff the Rebels did in various EU stuff like, I don't know, slaughtering the Imperial Palace staff in Children of the Jedi and doing a show trial for a Grand Admiral after Endor, not to mention boycotting the Corporate Sector Authority, I'd argue that Lucas at least does have some idea of what communism/socialism is actually like [he certainly was knowledgeable enough about Karl Marx to quote him if Skywalking is of any indication]. Heck, he even seemed to be fully aware of the Vietcong being a terrorist group if [https://youtu.be/Nxl3IoHKQ8c this clip] from James Cameron's History of Sci-Fi on AMC is of any indication.
::::::::I also agree that D'Souza really needs to do a "Commiewood"-type film exposing the leftist dreck in that industry right now, maybe also something similar with the educational system. Of course, he probably should also do a film that exposes the true nature of the French Revolution, since that's what both the USSR and Nazi Germany tie back to directly, heck, democracy itself (since democracy and socialism are one and the same, joined at the hip since the French Revolution).
::::::::Also agree that it needs some measure of an introduction to explain why this essay is necessary. You can always ask NorthWest for help creating the intro, he was largely responsible for a similar introduction on Essay: Worst Liberal TV Shows where he tied it to the Rural Purge. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 13:57, 22 December 2018 (EST)
Also I have decided to remove some movies that were on the section, for instance as I said before Labyrinth is only debatable if its pro-family, it in no way is anti-family, as for Grease its should only be on the debatable for conservative list because it contains some conservative ideas, but not a lot, and in no way is it liberal. I also removed Zulu and Blood Freak, because they too do not belong on this list. Also, I moved "Chicken Run" back to the worst liberal section, because even though, it has a feminist villain, it also has a feminist heroic leader, so in a way, it neutralizes it. Also, I moved Jurassic World to debatable.
Also I have decided to remove some movies that were on the section, for instance as I said before Labyrinth is only debatable if its pro-family, it in no way is anti-family, as for Grease its should only be on the debatable for conservative list because it contains some conservative ideas, but not a lot, and in no way is it liberal. I also removed Zulu and Blood Freak, because they too do not belong on this list. Also, I moved "Chicken Run" back to the worst liberal section, because even though, it has a feminist villain, it also has a feminist heroic leader, so in a way, it neutralizes it. Also, I moved Jurassic World to debatable.