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Talk:Essay:Greatest Conservative Movies (view source)
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:::::::::::::::Actually, I think Beauty and the Beast would qualify as feminist propaganda, and thus make its Conservative status debatable. True, it didn't have Belle trying to work as a CEO or something (then again, given the time period, I don't think "CEOs" even existed at that time) unlike the films for the past 15 years, but it does push the feminist propaganda that women couldn't get an education until the 1960s, and all education was supplied to rich white males, and that Belle was somehow breaking societal standards by reading (which there have been women who read during that time as well and wasn't even looked down upon. Marie Antoinette for one.). Trust me, I'd recognize that propaganda when I see it because I had to be subject to that propaganda from a militant feminist professor by the name of Heather Lucas (who did actually imply the above thing about women not getting an education until the 1960s). Plus the fact that she was refusing to marry for children can easily be construed as being anti-family. Also, as some people pointed out, there were some left-wing stuff in Titanic as well (I think Jack basically made some comments that were negative towards capitalism in that film. That as well as the aforementioned scene with Rose qualifying as pornography, and heck, technically she was committing pedastry with Jack as well). I took the liberty to moving them to the debatable whether Conservative section. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] 22:36, 10 December 2013 (EST)
:::::::::::::::Actually, I think Beauty and the Beast would qualify as feminist propaganda, and thus make its Conservative status debatable. True, it didn't have Belle trying to work as a CEO or something (then again, given the time period, I don't think "CEOs" even existed at that time) unlike the films for the past 15 years, but it does push the feminist propaganda that women couldn't get an education until the 1960s, and all education was supplied to rich white males, and that Belle was somehow breaking societal standards by reading (which there have been women who read during that time as well and wasn't even looked down upon. Marie Antoinette for one.). Trust me, I'd recognize that propaganda when I see it because I had to be subject to that propaganda from a militant feminist professor by the name of Heather Lucas (who did actually imply the above thing about women not getting an education until the 1960s). Plus the fact that she was refusing to marry for children can easily be construed as being anti-family. Also, as some people pointed out, there were some left-wing stuff in Titanic as well (I think Jack basically made some comments that were negative towards capitalism in that film. That as well as the aforementioned scene with Rose qualifying as pornography, and heck, technically she was committing pedastry with Jack as well). I took the liberty to moving them to the debatable whether Conservative section. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] 22:36, 10 December 2013 (EST)
:::::::::::::::Edit: It should also be worth mentioning that the village, while "shallow," was not really materialistic, not under the definition of matter being the most important thing, and certainly not in regards to the aspect of wealth, race, and jobs. Probably the closest they've gotten to materialism was their considering Belle to be "odd" due to her reading a book all the time, which even then seems to speak more to the feminist propaganda of Women not being educated at all until the 1960s. There wasn't exactly anything materialistic about the village. I had removed the reference to the village as being materialistic since it really didn't fit the definition at all. Also, the so-called "wedding" had a brief shot of a priest (specifically when Gaston makes that opening joke), making materialism in the village even less likely (materialism is atheistic, and the presence of a priest likewise implies the village was Christian, something that cannot intermingle with each other). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] 17:26, 17 December 2013 (EST)
:::::::::::::::Edit: It should also be worth mentioning that the village, while "shallow," was not really materialistic, not under the definition of matter being the most important thing, and certainly not in regards to the aspect of wealth, race, and jobs. Probably the closest they've gotten to materialism was their considering Belle to be "odd" due to her reading a book all the time, which even then seems to speak more to the feminist propaganda of Women not being educated at all until the 1960s. There wasn't exactly anything materialistic about the village. I had removed the reference to the village as being materialistic since it really didn't fit the definition at all. Also, the so-called "wedding" had a brief shot of a priest (specifically when Gaston makes that opening joke), making materialism in the village even less likely (materialism is atheistic, and the presence of a priest likewise implies the village was Christian, something that cannot intermingle with each other). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] 17:26, 17 December 2013 (EST)
:Actually, after giving it some thought, I think The Princess and the Frog would qualify more as conservative at this point (certainly far more than the 1991 ''Beauty and the Beast'' ever did, which even Linda Woolverton, its screenwriter, not to mention Don Hahn, has admitted to being feminist claptrap since Jeffrey Katzenberg demanded for its third rewrite.). Technically, at least from what I gather as I haven't actually seen the film, the only reason why Tiana is even trying to run a shop is because her dad was dead and there was no male heir to run it, so under that sense, it's not actually feminist (and aside from that, it also somewhat condemns her obsession with trying to act as a CEO, especially when the main villain Dr. Facilier actually does try to convince her to pursue her dreams as a form of tempting her, and her ultimately rejecting it upon realizing what truly matters). I might as well point out that the film has Charlotte LeBeouf, a girl who most certainly is not a feminist, and if anything very traditionally feminine, who is actually portrayed in a very positive light, being a genuine friend for Tiana, and even attempting to restore Tiana and Naveen from the curse when granted the opportunity to do so (and only failed because Marti Gras ended at the worst possible time). And as another person pointed out, The Princess and the Frog actually DOES promote traditional marriage, and as a matter of fact, is the first Disney Feature Length film to actually do so since ''The Little Mermaid'' two decades before. Not saying it really should be listed as one of the greatest conservative films of all time (it's got evidence of plagiarizing ''The Little Mermaid'' at times, and aside from that, it did depict Voodoo in an ambiguous light, meaning that at best it can go under debatable whether Conservative or debatable whether Great), but it definitely shouldn't really be listed as a liberal film, period. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 09:33, 1 January 2019 (EST)
== Titanic ==
== Titanic ==