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The expanded use of [[melodic]] lines, richness of [[tonality]], and the size of the [[orchestra]] can be seen in a contrast between [[Ludwig van Beethoven]]'s ''[[Thunder, Storm]]''<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NhZYf2aujI</ref> from his ''[[Pastoral Symphony]]'' and [[Richard Strauss]]'s ''[[Thunder and Tempest]]''<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnF87fo4NQo</ref> from his [[Alpine Symphony]], writing on the same subject.
 
The expanded use of [[melodic]] lines, richness of [[tonality]], and the size of the [[orchestra]] can be seen in a contrast between [[Ludwig van Beethoven]]'s ''[[Thunder, Storm]]''<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NhZYf2aujI</ref> from his ''[[Pastoral Symphony]]'' and [[Richard Strauss]]'s ''[[Thunder and Tempest]]''<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnF87fo4NQo</ref> from his [[Alpine Symphony]], writing on the same subject.
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For composers, the large scale Wagnerian orchestra made it difficult to compose. Because of the expanded brass contingent, the brass section can easily overpower and drowned out 44 violinists and  the wind section. For this reason, Late Romantic orchestral works are all about achieving a balance between different sections of the orchestra,<ref>A great of example of [[Jean Sibelius]], of which there are many great examples, of finding and striking the balance between brass, strings and winds is this section from [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JtI4xmtfLk Sibelius - Symphony #2, 1st movement, part 2], Sofia Philharmonic, Arkady Leytush, Live Performance, June 26, 2008.</ref> not just in tone and harmony, but the structure of an orchestral composition itself.
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For composers, the large scale Wagnerian orchestra made it difficult to compose. Because of the expanded brass contingent, the brass section can easily overpower and drowned out 44 violinists and  the wind section. For this reason, Late Romantic orchestral works are all about achieving a balance between different sections of the orchestra,<ref>A great example of [[Jean Sibelius]], of which there are many great examples, of finding and striking the balance between brass, strings and winds is this section from [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JtI4xmtfLk Sibelius - Symphony #2, 1st movement, part 2], Sofia Philharmonic, Arkady Leytush, Live Performance, June 26, 2008.</ref> not just in tone and harmony, but the structure of an orchestral composition itself.
    
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