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They provide a graph on homicide in a few different countries, and show how many of these *involved* guns. Since they are ignoring population, it looks like the U.S. has a real problem. However, if you consider the size and population density of the U.S., those numbers change a bit. It's another obvious example of selective reporting used to push a false idea. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 14:42, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
They provide a graph on homicide in a few different countries, and show how many of these *involved* guns. Since they are ignoring population, it looks like the U.S. has a real problem. However, if you consider the size and population density of the U.S., those numbers change a bit. It's another obvious example of selective reporting used to push a false idea. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 14:42, 29 March 2018 (EDT)
== Marx quote ==
If I understand the context of the recently added quote, Karl Marx is speaking in regard to an armed revolution to overthrow the bourgeoisie. Yes, this sentence is speaking of not letting "the workers" be disarmed by the authorities, but this is because he is trying to build a military to overthrow that government. The full section containing this quote is listed below.
{{cquote|To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising.<ref>https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm</ref>
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May I then ask:
#How does this relate to the topic of Gun Control in the western world, and
#Why are we quoting Marx as if he was supporting the same thing we do, when in fact it is very different context?
#If we do want to keep this quote, can we include some context, and put it somewhere other than at the top of the page, above the intro?
--[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:28, 25 April 2019 (EDT)