| | :Why do you assume ''a priori'' that the area sought is Euclidean plane geometry only. Why? The problem proposes determining the equal area which a three-dimensional object does possess of necessity, since it occupies space with length and width and height. And yes, the area of the surface of a solid can be virtually "flattened" to determine the necessary volume of a container for the solid, a boundary for an enclosed space, as in a problem in architectural engineering and construction. It is enough for me that this discussion take place on the talk page. That is the essence of peer review. I sense from the tone of your response that you are unfamiliar with [[Boolean algebra|boolean algebra and logic]] and the hyper geometries of multidimensional mathematical spaces. With all due and well-wishing respect I suspect your response is subconsciously motivated by an unintentional form of mathematical and philosophical [[xenophobia]]. Scientific prejudice is not unknown in debates over [[Hypothesis|hypotheses]]. The "seven deadly words of committee" before rejection of a proposal are "we have never done it that way before". Think of the advances in human knowledge and potential discovery that were delayed in this way. <br>Although I proposed a "solution" to the problem lightheartedly, it cannot be demonstrated to be either irrational or unreasonable. I did not propose the solution as a ''laughable'' joke, but as a form of legitimate mathematical amusement, as so many mathematical puzzles and novel solutions are by their nature, and they are not mockeries of mathematical reasoning. I did say that no one takes such a solution seriously. [[Paradox]]es have been proposed as entertainment and as serious problems at one and the same time. Challenges make many astute and competent intellectuals smile with enjoyment, and sometimes chuckle with delight, even as they seriously take up the problem proposed. Sometimes what seems insoluble is resolved when someone with sudden insight says, "Let's look at this from a different angle. Maybe we are coming at this from the wrong direction. What if instead of what we normally do, we turn the problem on its head and_____?" Remember how [[Archimedes]] shouted, "'''''Eureka!'''''" in solving the problem of determining specific gravity by displacement of water volume and the weight of the whole by disregarding the traditional means of measurement. Your assumption that a Euclidean plane area solution '''''cannot''''' be obtained by the measurement of a third-dimensional cylindrical simple solid over its whole surface area is not only untrue, but ''[[ipso facto]]'' dismisses unexamined and untried a reasonable solution to the problem which is demonstrably simple. ''Semper fi'' --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:23, 11 July 2019 (EDT) | | :Why do you assume ''a priori'' that the area sought is Euclidean plane geometry only. Why? The problem proposes determining the equal area which a three-dimensional object does possess of necessity, since it occupies space with length and width and height. And yes, the area of the surface of a solid can be virtually "flattened" to determine the necessary volume of a container for the solid, a boundary for an enclosed space, as in a problem in architectural engineering and construction. It is enough for me that this discussion take place on the talk page. That is the essence of peer review. I sense from the tone of your response that you are unfamiliar with [[Boolean algebra|boolean algebra and logic]] and the hyper geometries of multidimensional mathematical spaces. With all due and well-wishing respect I suspect your response is subconsciously motivated by an unintentional form of mathematical and philosophical [[xenophobia]]. Scientific prejudice is not unknown in debates over [[Hypothesis|hypotheses]]. The "seven deadly words of committee" before rejection of a proposal are "we have never done it that way before". Think of the advances in human knowledge and potential discovery that were delayed in this way. <br>Although I proposed a "solution" to the problem lightheartedly, it cannot be demonstrated to be either irrational or unreasonable. I did not propose the solution as a ''laughable'' joke, but as a form of legitimate mathematical amusement, as so many mathematical puzzles and novel solutions are by their nature, and they are not mockeries of mathematical reasoning. I did say that no one takes such a solution seriously. [[Paradox]]es have been proposed as entertainment and as serious problems at one and the same time. Challenges make many astute and competent intellectuals smile with enjoyment, and sometimes chuckle with delight, even as they seriously take up the problem proposed. Sometimes what seems insoluble is resolved when someone with sudden insight says, "Let's look at this from a different angle. Maybe we are coming at this from the wrong direction. What if instead of what we normally do, we turn the problem on its head and_____?" Remember how [[Archimedes]] shouted, "'''''Eureka!'''''" in solving the problem of determining specific gravity by displacement of water volume and the weight of the whole by disregarding the traditional means of measurement. Your assumption that a Euclidean plane area solution '''''cannot''''' be obtained by the measurement of a third-dimensional cylindrical simple solid over its whole surface area is not only untrue, but ''[[ipso facto]]'' dismisses unexamined and untried a reasonable solution to the problem which is demonstrably simple. ''Semper fi'' --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:23, 11 July 2019 (EDT) |
| | + | :::Because that's the way the classical plane geometry problems have been posed for a few thousand years. They are an important part of the history of mathematics, studied in junior high school up through college. I suggest that you read ''Journey Through Genius'', by William Dunham, ISBN 0 14 01.4739X for a good accounting of this history. |
| | ::I see no reason why the reader of this page should not immediately see the "nonsense about cylinders" that was taken out, which [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] in his edit summary called "trash". ''Ergo'' I have posted it here beneath my response for reader evaluation. —<sub><big><big>↓</big></big></sub> | | ::I see no reason why the reader of this page should not immediately see the "nonsense about cylinders" that was taken out, which [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] in his edit summary called "trash". ''Ergo'' I have posted it here beneath my response for reader evaluation. —<sub><big><big>↓</big></big></sub> |
| | + | I have no problem with this material being on some talk page or mainspace page. But, where it was, it could mislead the reader into not taking seriously the topic of compass-and-straightedge constructions, a topic that occupies a serious place in the history of mathematics. See [[Compass_and_straightedge]]. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 21:54, 11 July 2019 (EDT) |