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::(1)  Everything depends upon what you consider to be evidence of "socialism".  I'm sure that you know that many conservative organizations produce annual surveys which score every country in the world in terms of their quality of life and their respect and protection for economic freedom and basic human rights.  For example, Heritage Foundation publishes an ''Index of Economic Freedom.''  If you review their 2019 Index, the top ten countries of the world include several countries which you would describe as "socialist".  My previous point was simply to bring attention to the fact that conservatives in the U.S. have been warning about our imminent demise and descent into tyranny (aka a "one-world socialist dictatorship") since the 1920's but all those doom-shaped views have never come to pass in the U.S.  Also, I don't agree with your assumption that changes in political or cultural issues should always be categorized as "left wing" developments.  Perhaps you regard the abolition of slavery as "left wing"?  When our country was founded, the majority of adults were NOT eligible to vote.  I suppose you consider expanding our voting population to be a "left-wing" development?  The majority of Americans support many policies which, apparently, YOU consider to be "left-wing" positions -- such as on gun control or same-sex marriage or abortion rights, etc.  But surely you are not going to claim that the majority of Americans are left-wing?  Do you consider former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to be "left-wing"?  How about the late US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia?  They both recognized that reasonable restrictions upon gun ownership were entirely acceptable.

::(1)  Everything depends upon what you consider to be evidence of "socialism".  I'm sure that you know that many conservative organizations produce annual surveys which score every country in the world in terms of their quality of life and their respect and protection for economic freedom and basic human rights.  For example, Heritage Foundation publishes an ''Index of Economic Freedom.''  If you review their 2019 Index, the top ten countries of the world include several countries which you would describe as "socialist".  My previous point was simply to bring attention to the fact that conservatives in the U.S. have been warning about our imminent demise and descent into tyranny (aka a "one-world socialist dictatorship") since the 1920's but all those doom-shaped views have never come to pass in the U.S.  Also, I don't agree with your assumption that changes in political or cultural issues should always be categorized as "left wing" developments.  Perhaps you regard the abolition of slavery as "left wing"?  When our country was founded, the majority of adults were NOT eligible to vote.  I suppose you consider expanding our voting population to be a "left-wing" development?  The majority of Americans support many policies which, apparently, YOU consider to be "left-wing" positions -- such as on gun control or same-sex marriage or abortion rights, etc.  But surely you are not going to claim that the majority of Americans are left-wing?  Do you consider former FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover to be "left-wing"?  How about the late US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia?  They both recognized that reasonable restrictions upon gun ownership were entirely acceptable.

::(2) My description of the "entire conservative movement" as rejecting the Birch Society was simply meant to express the fact that JBS critics including a huge swath of the conservative movement. Please QUOTE the people you mentioned in terms of their statements about the Birch Society.  What, for example, is their position on our civil rights movement.  Do they all believe (along with the JBS) what the JBS told its members even in May 2008?  Here is the JBS position as stated in the ''JBS Bulletin'':  "'''Just as the John Birch Society showed in the 1960's that the communists basically ran both the civil rights movement and the KKK, the strategy was nothing new."'''  Do those folks you mentioned also believe (as the Birch Society declared) that our civil rights movement '''"served only Communist purposes"?'''  Do the folks you mentioned also explicitly reject every statement and conclusion made by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover---when he (or the FBI) declared that JBS assertions were total falsehoods?  Do the folks you mentioned agree with the core ideology of the JBS which has always been that the majority of our political leaders during the 20th century (both Republicans and Democrats) were either Communists, Communist sympathizers or "agents" of the Communist Conspiracy?

::(2) My description of the "entire conservative movement" as rejecting the Birch Society was simply meant to express the fact that JBS critics included a huge swath of the conservative movement. Please '''QUOTE''' the people you mentioned in terms of '''their statements about the Birch Society'''.   

 

::What, for example, is their position about our civil rights movement.  Do they all believe (along with the JBS) what the JBS told its members even in May 2008?  Here is the JBS position as stated in the ''JBS Bulletin'':  "'''Just as the John Birch Society showed in the 1960's that the communists basically ran both the civil rights movement and the KKK, the strategy was nothing new."'''  Do those folks you mentioned also believe (as the Birch Society declared) that our civil rights movement '''"served only Communist purposes"?'''  Please QUOTE their supposed agreement with the JBS on that.

 

::Do the folks you mentioned also explicitly reject ''every statement and conclusion'' made by FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover---when he (or the FBI) declared that JBS assertions were total falsehoods?  Do the folks you mentioned agree with the core ideology of the JBS which has always been that the majority of our political leaders during the 20th century (both Republicans and Democrats) were either Communists, Communist sympathizers or "agents" of the Communist Conspiracy?

:: (3)  Are you saying that you and the Birch Society are the sole legitimate arbiters of what constitutes genuine conservatism?  So, you agree with the JBS that Ronald Reagan was a "'''phony conservative"'''?  And you '''disagree''' with Mrs. Robert Welch who criticized the new leadership of the JBS when they used the JBS magazine to savage Reagan after her husband died?  You may contact me directly if you would like to respond further:  ernie1241@aol.com

:: (3)  Are you saying that you and the Birch Society are the sole legitimate arbiters of what constitutes genuine conservatism?  So, you agree with the JBS that Ronald Reagan was a "'''phony conservative"'''?  And you '''disagree''' with Mrs. Robert Welch who criticized the new leadership of the JBS when they used the JBS magazine to savage Reagan after her husband died?  You may contact me directly if you would like to respond further:  ernie1241@aol.com

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