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::: Well in that case, you're definitely NOT pro-free speech. Free speech means '''all speech, even if it is "propaganda."''' Besides, you keep citing shills for Socialism, like Liberation News, so I could just as easily dismiss your sources as "propaganda." [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 21:12, 16 July 2019 (EDT)
::: Well in that case, you're definitely NOT pro-free speech. Free speech means '''all speech, even if it is "propaganda."''' Besides, you keep citing shills for Socialism, like Liberation News, so I could just as easily dismiss your sources as "propaganda." [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 21:12, 16 July 2019 (EDT)
:::You changed your words, you originally said "I believe the Great Firewall is justified, due to the amount of propaganda that exists on the Internet" and that's what I was responding to, don't change the words of a comment I'm responding to, just make another comment admitting you made a poor choice of words. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 21:32, 16 July 2019 (EDT)
:::You changed your words, you originally said "I believe the Great Firewall is justified, due to the amount of propaganda that exists on the Internet" and that's what I was responding to, don't change the words of a comment I'm responding to, just make another comment admitting you made a poor choice of words. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 21:32, 16 July 2019 (EDT)
:::The Wikipedia article you cited about OEV says nothing about HKFP. But Wikipedia does say this about Tiananmen square: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Liberation_Army_at_the_1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests] [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 22:02, 16 July 2019 (EDT)
:::: Destabilizing a country has a very large potential to cause harm to the citizens of that country. For example, how many people have died in Afghanistan, because the U.S funded extremist groups in the name of "fighing the commies"? If you count the War in Afghanistan as being caused by American destabilization efforts, then the destabilization of Afghanistan has lead to 31,000 civilian deaths. <ref>https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2016/War%20in%20Afghanistan%20and%20Pakistan%20UPDATE_FINAL_corrected%20date.pdf</ref> And in a country like China, with over a billion people, that could cause millions of deaths, if say, a civil war broke out. It would also end China's economic rise, putting millions in poverty.
:::: Destabilizing a country has a very large potential to cause harm to the citizens of that country. For example, how many people have died in Afghanistan, because the U.S funded extremist groups in the name of "fighing the commies"? If you count the War in Afghanistan as being caused by American destabilization efforts, then the destabilization of Afghanistan has lead to 31,000 civilian deaths. <ref>https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2016/War%20in%20Afghanistan%20and%20Pakistan%20UPDATE_FINAL_corrected%20date.pdf</ref> And in a country like China, with over a billion people, that could cause millions of deaths, if say, a civil war broke out. It would also end China's economic rise, putting millions in poverty.