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:::::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:51, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
:::::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 07:51, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::::: Ah, so appeal to authority is fallible (unless, of course, it supports your argument -- then it's infallible). I think all appeal to authority is fallible, and the way you test it is to compare it to reality. If you're correct, then reality will support your assertion. As for Humphrey and Hartnett, the only way to get around the travel time argument to the Andromeda Galaxy is for them to either compute a grossly different velocity for the speed of light or to measure a grossly different distance to the galaxy. If you've seen evidence and numbers for either one, then please quote them here. Don't quote hand-waving or vague (ie, no math) arguments about c-decay or "white hole" cosmology. It's really a simple argument. v = d / t. To get a different t, you need a different v or a different d (or both). Just quote there numbers and show me how you get t < 6000 years. I'll even do the division for you.--[[User:Mackronking2|Mackronking2]] 08:01, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
::::::::: Ah, so appeal to authority is fallible (unless, of course, it supports your argument -- then it's infallible). I think all appeal to authority is fallible, and the way you test it is to compare it to reality. If you're correct, then reality will support your assertion. As for Humphrey and Hartnett, the only way to get around the travel time argument to the Andromeda Galaxy is for them to either compute a grossly different velocity for the speed of light or to measure a grossly different distance to the galaxy. If you've seen evidence and numbers for either one, then please quote them here. Don't quote hand-waving or vague (ie, no math) arguments about c-decay or "white hole" cosmology. It's really a simple argument. v = d / t. To get a different t, you need a different v or a different d (or both). Just quote there numbers and show me how you get t < 6000 years. I'll even do the division for you.--[[User:Mackronking2|Mackronking2]] 08:01, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
:::::::::: You are misrepresenting what I said. The Appeal to Authority is a legitimate way of supporting an argument, but if doesn't "prove" the argument, unless the authority itself if infallible. It has nothing to do with whether or not it supports my argument. But yes, you can test it by comparing it to reality—if you have reality to test it against. You do not have the Big Bang nor the six days of creation, so you cannot do those test. That's not to say that you can't make inferences based on what evidence is available, but it's no longer and clear black-and-white test.
:::::::::: You claim that you must change either v or d to get a different t, but you also indicate that you are aware of white hole cosmologies and the like which give a different ''measurement'' of t for a given v and d, according to where the observer is, which means you know that changing v or d are not the only possibilities.
:::::::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 09:12, 12 May 2007 (EDT)
== Young earth creationist view ==
== Young earth creationist view ==