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→A vote from the House: Guess who sided with the president on the side of the Democrats?
:::I don't know that there are really "sides" in this war. Obama was on the side of al Qaeda. Trump terminated that alliance. One or the other, either Turkey or Iran, will emerge as the dominant force in the region. Trump sided with the NATO ally Turkey. What Trump did is no different than what FDR and Truman did to Poles who fought with us against the Nazis. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:44, 20 October 2019 (EDT)
:::I don't know that there are really "sides" in this war. Obama was on the side of al Qaeda. Trump terminated that alliance. One or the other, either Turkey or Iran, will emerge as the dominant force in the region. Trump sided with the NATO ally Turkey. What Trump did is no different than what FDR and Truman did to Poles who fought with us against the Nazis. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:44, 20 October 2019 (EDT)
::::Obama wasn't on the side of al Qaeda. It is true that under his presidency bin Laden was killed instead of being captured and so it was impossible to interrogate him and find his Saudi backers. Obama did a favor to the Saudis. That was wrong and a let-down to Western values. But what Bush did was much much worse, he initiated a war in Iraq instead of capturing bin Laden. And after the war Bush dissolved the Iraqi army. And the soldiers who knew nothing but fighting and didn't receive any help then joined the ranks of ISIS. And Al Baghdadi was in American captivity in the torture prison Abu Graib and was released as a terror mastermind in 2004 and eventually became the head of ISIS. ISIS is the product of Bush's incompetence. And the Syrian Kurds were those who fought against ISIS and lost more than 10000 of their soldiers. And now that they are exhausted Trump abandons them. Shame on you Trump and Bush. Destroyers of Syrian Christianity! --[[User:James2|James2]] ([[User talk:James2|talk]]) 13:15, 20 October 2019 (EDT)
::::Obama wasn't on the side of al Qaeda. It is true that under his presidency bin Laden was killed instead of being captured and so it was impossible to interrogate him and find his Saudi backers. Obama did a favor to the Saudis. That was wrong and a let-down to Western values. But what Bush did was much much worse, he initiated a war in Iraq instead of capturing bin Laden. And after the war Bush dissolved the Iraqi army. And the soldiers who knew nothing but fighting and didn't receive any help then joined the ranks of ISIS. And Al Baghdadi was in American captivity in the torture prison Abu Graib and was released as a terror mastermind in 2004 and eventually became the head of ISIS. ISIS is the product of Bush's incompetence. And the Syrian Kurds were those who fought against ISIS and lost more than 10000 of their soldiers. And now that they are exhausted Trump abandons them. Shame on you Trump and Bush. Destroyers of Syrian Christianity! --[[User:James2|James2]] ([[User talk:James2|talk]]) 13:15, 20 October 2019 (EDT)
:::::(a) Obama farmed the groups in 2012 that became ISIS in 2014;
:::::(b) Bush fought a war of prevention, not retribution (i.e. killing bin laden. Bin Laden was under house arrest by Pakistani allies who could not (i) kill him, (ii) try him, and (iii) extradite him.
:::::(c) "Obama did a favor to the Saudis. That was wrong..."; Saudi Arabia is an ally. Turkey is an ally. Why the double standard being applied to non-state actor allies, the Kurds?
:::::(d) ISIS is the product of Obama, Brennan' and Hillary Clinton's machinations. [[Gen. Michael Flynn]] paid a terrible price for opposing it.
:::::(e) The Kurds are neither a untied or monolithic entity. There are Syrian, Iraqi, and Turkish. There are Sunni Kurds and Shia Kurds. The Kurds, in fact, harbored [[Abu Musab al-Zarqawi]] and his chemical weapons lab (which [[Colin Powell]] wrongly attributed to Saddam in his famous UN speech) under the protection of the American No-fly Zone of Northern Iraq and Iraqi Kurdistan. What baffles me is, why do globalists and warmongers now promote [[nationalism]] among the Kurds, if nationalism is indeed such a destructive force? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 13:38, 20 October 2019 (EDT)