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:Honestly, I've never considered the exact date to be of much importance. I've just assumed that it was around the time of what is now the calendar change, and figured that was close enough. I am not aware of any new information available to us now, which they didn't have when they changed the calendar.

:Honestly, I've never considered the exact date to be of much importance. I've just assumed that it was around the time of what is now the calendar change, and figured that was close enough. I am not aware of any new information available to us now, which they didn't have when they changed the calendar.

:Jesus was executed at about 33 years of age, so based on the time Pilate was governor, Jesus must have been born between 7 B.C. and 3 A.D. It also seems that that Pilate was somewhat established at the time of Jesus' execution, so he must have been in office for at least a few years by then. (Pilate's tradition of releasing one criminal each year was well established at this point.)  That has always seemed close enough to me. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] ^{([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])} 22:39, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

:Jesus was executed at about 33 years of age, so based on the time Pilate was governor, Jesus must have been born between 7 B.C. and 3 A.D. It also seems that that Pilate was somewhat established at the time of Jesus' execution, so he must have been in office for at least a few years by then. (Pilate's tradition of releasing one criminal each year was well established at this point.)  That has always seemed close enough to me. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] ^{([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])} 22:39, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

::Both Matthew and Luke say Herod was king at the time Jesus was born. Herod died shortly after a lunar eclipse, according to Josephus. This is usually identified with the partial eclipse of March 13, 4 BC. Herod Antipas, Herod's son, became king in 4 BC, according to his coinage. It's a safe bet Herod was dead by that time. See "[https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/herods-death-jesus-birth-and-a-lunar-eclipse/ Herod’s Death, Jesus’ Birth and a Lunar Eclipse]." This is the basis for the claim that Jesus was born in 4 BC. The traditional 2 BC birth year is from Luke 3:1 and 3:23, as explained above. Perhaps the gospel writers confused Herod the father and Herod the son. The Venus-Jupiter conjunction of June 17, 2 B.C is a popular explanation for the [[Star of Bethlehem]]. See "[https://www.space.com/33866-venus-jupiter-conjunction-star-of-bethlehem.html Saturday's Venus-Jupiter Encounter May Explain Bible's Star of Bethlehem]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:17, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

::Both Matthew and Luke say Herod was king at the time Jesus was born. Herod died shortly after a lunar eclipse, according to Josephus. This is usually identified with the partial eclipse of March 13, 4 BC. Herod Antipas, Herod's son, became king in 4 BC, according to his coinage. It's a safe bet Herod was dead by that time. See "[https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/herods-death-jesus-birth-and-a-lunar-eclipse/ Herod’s Death, Jesus’ Birth and a Lunar Eclipse]." This is the basis for the claim that Jesus was born in 4 BC. The traditional 2 BC birth year is from Luke 3:1 and 3:23, as explained above. The Venus-Jupiter conjunction of June 17, 2 B.C is a popular explanation for the [[Star of Bethlehem]]. See "[https://www.space.com/33866-venus-jupiter-conjunction-star-of-bethlehem.html Saturday's Venus-Jupiter Encounter May Explain Bible's Star of Bethlehem]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 04:17, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

Hi David and Peter. Right, David. As you note, Pontius Pilate must already have been in office a few years since the tradition of him releasing one person on Passover had likely been done for several years by then. Already in Luk 13:1, Pontius Pilate is in office and has killed some Galileans. So it is very unlikely all this is taking place in 26 or 27 AD imo but much more likely these events, after Tiberius 15th year, are 30 and 31 AD culminating with the crucifixion in 33 A.D. We have a further confirmation that Three Passovers (and so three years) passed during Christ's Ministry.

Hi David and Peter. Right, David. As you note, Pontius Pilate must already have been in office a few years since the tradition of him releasing one person on Passover had likely been done for several years by then. Already in Luk 13:1, Pontius Pilate is in office and has killed some Galileans. So it is very unlikely all this is taking place in 26 or 27 AD imo but much more likely these events, after Tiberius 15th year, are 30 and 31 AD culminating with the crucifixion in 33 A.D. We have a further confirmation that Three Passovers (and so three years) passed during Christ's Ministry.

God Bless, All.

God Bless, All.

:I thought the coinage argument that Herod died in 4 BC was a good one, especially given it agrees with several other lines of reasoning. Here is a full scholarly discussion: "[http://www.redatedkings.com/postings/Bernegger.pdf Affirmation of Herod's Death in 4 BC]." [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:17, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

:I thought the coinage argument that Herod died in 4 BC was a good one, especially given it agrees with several other lines of reasoning. Here is a full scholarly discussion: "[http://www.redatedkings.com/postings/Bernegger.pdf Affirmation of Herod's Death in 4 BC]." The Herod/Bethlehem nativity story is not in Mark, which is considered the most historical of the gospels. John 7:52 says 'They replied, “Are you from Galilee too? Search and see that no prophet arises from Galilee.”' This is reference to Micah 5:2: "But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are too little to be among the clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel." God can make Jesus the Son the Man whether or not he was born in Bethlehem or fulfills the prophesy of Micah, at least according to John. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:25, 4 May 2020 (EDT)

== Did Jesus Christ Our Redeemer die for us on April 7, 30 A.D. or April 3, 33 A.D.? ==

== Did Jesus Christ Our Redeemer die for us on April 7, 30 A.D. or April 3, 33 A.D.? ==