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:: I do not think that your version is correct. First, the "taxonomic" definition is just a proposal of the last few years, and not even all modern biologists have adopted that usage. Second, saying that "hominina" is the "correct term" is also just a proposal. Third, readers using CP are much more likely to encounter the colloquial definition, even in a modern science book. Just a few years ago, it was the only definition. Fourth, your colloquial definition requires that the hominid be "ancestral", and that (probably) rules out Neanderthals, even tho everyone considers Neanderthals to be hominids. Fifth, it unnecessarily claims that Australopithecus is ancestral to humans, even tho it is hotly debated among evolutionists (and rejected by creationists).
:: I do not think that your version is correct. First, the "taxonomic" definition is just a proposal of the last few years, and not even all modern biologists have adopted that usage. Second, saying that "hominina" is the "correct term" is also just a proposal. Third, readers using CP are much more likely to encounter the colloquial definition, even in a modern science book. Just a few years ago, it was the only definition. Fourth, your colloquial definition requires that the hominid be "ancestral", and that (probably) rules out Neanderthals, even tho everyone considers Neanderthals to be hominids. Fifth, it unnecessarily claims that Australopithecus is ancestral to humans, even tho it is hotly debated among evolutionists (and rejected by creationists).
:: There is another point here which seems to have been lost in all the edits. The modern evolutionists have redefined the word "hominid" to suit their taxonomic views. The new definition groups humans and apes more tightly, and downplays human distinctiveness. Maybe you agree and maybe you don't. It is just a definition, so the change cannot be correct or incorrect. It is just a preference on the part of modern biologists. This is CP, and a left-wing shift in definitions should be noted. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:32, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
:: There is another point here which seems to have been lost in all the edits. The modern evolutionists have redefined the word "hominid" to suit their taxonomic views. The new definition groups humans and apes more tightly, and downplays human distinctiveness. Maybe you agree and maybe you don't. It is just a definition, so the change cannot be correct or incorrect. It is just a preference on the part of modern biologists. This is CP, and a left-wing shift in definitions should be noted. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 15:32, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
:::I'm not sure on what basis you claim that the word hominid has only been used in the last few years, or that it has been redefined to more closely group humans with other apes. The fact is that Carolus Linnaeus in the 18th century (long before Darwin) used the term Hominoidae to describe the observed morphological similarities between humans and other apes, and then set humans and their ancestral species under Hominidae while other apes were Hominoidae Ponginae. After molecular biological findings began confirming the morphology studies, it became clear that the Hominidae/Ponginae split wasn't supported by the genetics, and the two subfamilies were merged. The term "homininae" was first used in 74 to try and separate out humans and their ancestral species from other apes, and although I think this is an unneccesary division, this is what is actually meant when we colloquially use "hominid" to describe what you're calling cave men.
:::Secondly, with regards to Neanderthal and Australopithecus, I realize that they are likely not direct ancestors to Homo Sapiens. I don't believe any mainstream biologists suggest that they are, but you are confusing the terms "ancestral" and "ancestors." An ancestor is one from whom you have a direct familial descent (such as a great grandparent). Someone who is ancestral to you is not necessarily directly related, but is a predecessor. So, your great great grandfather's uncle's children would be ancestral, but not ancestors. Likewise, Neanderthal and Australopithecus are not direct genetic ancestors, but they are related to our direct genetic ancestors, and so they are indeed ancestral.
:::Finally, with regards to "left wing" edits, I'm sorry you feel reality is so left wing, but we're talking about definitions, not political opinions. [[User:JohnSmith|JohnSmith]] 19:02, 17 May 2007 (EDT)