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:::*''The Church is the temple of the Holy Spirit''
:::*''The Church is the temple of the Holy Spirit''
:::is non-scriptural. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:15, 11 July 2020 (EDT)
:::is non-scriptural. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:15, 11 July 2020 (EDT)
::::'''It's in 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, and in Ephesians 2:22, "you" is plural, the many. 1 Corinthians 12 says "''Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.''
:::Neither does this occur in scripture:
:::Neither does this occur in scripture:
:::*''principalities and powers in the heavens''
:::*''principalities and powers in the heavens''
::::It occurs in Ephesians 3:10.
:::Principalities and powers refers specifically to earthly human governments and regimes (unless you are referring to Satan, but he's not in the heavens).
:::Principalities and powers refers specifically to earthly human governments and regimes (unless you are referring to Satan, but he's not in the heavens).
::::'''That's ''your'' interpretation, the "''words of men''" and commentaries and scholars apart from the word of God. ''It doesn't say that it refers specifically to earthly human governments and regimes.'' You have added to the word of God.'''
:::Stop embarrassing yourself. You know nothing of scripture, and have no spiritual understanding. You have never been born of the spirit. You only mislead and deceive people. You are a fraud.
:::Stop embarrassing yourself. You know nothing of scripture, and have no spiritual understanding. You have never been born of the spirit. You only mislead and deceive people. You are a fraud.
Wrong. We didn't learn to offer the Holy Sacrifice otherwise than from the holy Word of God. Read the holy Bible and you will learn that it is not the hearers of the Word of God who are justified, but them that do the Word the God. Do you know which Apostle said that? The Protestant churches, I agree, hear the Word of God. However, the Catholic Church actually OBEYS OR DOES the Word of God, by offering the Lord's Body and Lord's Blood, as His Memorial Sacrifice, according to His Divine Command, on the Night before His Sacrificial Death. If you do it to together with us, you will be just. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:40, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
Wrong. We didn't learn to offer the Holy Sacrifice otherwise than from the holy Word of God. Read the holy Bible and you will learn that it is not the hearers of the Word of God who are justified, but them that do the Word the God. Do you know which Apostle said that? The Protestant churches, I agree, hear the Word of God. However, the Catholic Church actually OBEYS OR DOES the Word of God, by offering the Lord's Body and Lord's Blood, as His Memorial Sacrifice, according to His Divine Command, on the Night before His Sacrificial Death. If you do it to together with us, you will be just. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:40, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
::We have "got" the Magisterium which has faithfully preserved all through the centuries God's Written Word and defended it against the falsifications of heretics. We have Jesus' blood mystically present in reality enabling us to partake of the divine nature in our own sacrifices of dedicated worship of Him, and in our own physical bodies offered to him as sacrifices in purity and vessels of service as our reasonable spiritual worship, sacrifices which are united to Him Who is in the Father and the Father in Him in His body and blood and bestowed by Him on us in baptism and eucharist and the other five sacraments ordained by Him in giving them infinite divine value to save souls, including infants, and uniting us to Himself in love, a union of eternal life broken only if we will to choose to remain not in him and fall away. We have God's guarantee of the infallibly irrevocable salvation of all those in purgatory because those members of His body being purified after death are being perfected for ever by being sanctified by Him in baptism and perseverance in good works which God has prepared for us beforehand that we should walk in them even unto death for Him. We have the Good News of the Gospel of salvation in the Church that He established with God's authority as the sacrament of salvation sent by Him as the Savior of the world to baptise and teach under the power of Jesus' real presence always with us and the fulfillment of the Holy Spirit promised by Him to be with us forever, leading us into all truth in the Church which is the temple of the Holy Spirit, the pillar and foundation of the truth of God, through which alone the manifold wisdom of God is made known to the principalities and powers even in heaven. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 02:25, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
==He hath perfected for ever==
==He hath perfected for ever==
:*''by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified''
:*''by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified''
Do you believe it? Are you motivated to share this message from God with non-believers and win souls for Christ? Or are you content to keep spinning your wheels, shrugging your shoulders at God's word, and making pointless arguments that cannot be backed up by God's word and God's truth? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:53, 11 July 2020 (EDT)
Do you believe it? Are you motivated to share this message from God with non-believers and win souls for Christ? Or are you content to keep spinning your wheels, shrugging your shoulders at God's word, and making pointless arguments that cannot be backed up by God's word and God's truth? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 15:53, 11 July 2020 (EDT)
::::I answered that above. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 02:25, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
Do you believe Heb 9:23, that Christ purifies the heavenly things, with "better sacrifices" than the OT sacrifices? As for Heb 10:14, "For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.", yes, it's perfectly true. By one sacrifice, He perfected us. And as we are continually being made holy, as the latter portion of that verse says, we must continually offer that one same sacrifice, for Christ to make us holy.
Do you believe Heb 9:23, that Christ purifies the heavenly things, with "better sacrifices" than the OT sacrifices? As for Heb 10:14, "For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.", yes, it's perfectly true. By one sacrifice, He perfected us. And as we are continually being made holy, as the latter portion of that verse says, we must continually offer that one same sacrifice, for Christ to make us holy.
Strawman. Data Clarifier knows well that both the Priests and the Laity receive the Holy Spirit. The Laity at Baptism and Confirmation, and the Priests also in those as well as in Ordination. But Priests have a special charism that enables them to teach. Recall that St. James says not many should become teachers, because those who teach will be more strictly judged. Those who are given the grace to teach receive a special divine assistance from the Holy Spirit. This applies especially to the Successors of St. Peter, whom God made the Rock of His Church on Earth, and gave the Keys of Heaven, to bind and loose on Earth. How do you understand that passage? How can God promise to bind it in Heaven if it wasn't guided by Him i.e. by His Spirit? [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:51, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
Strawman. Data Clarifier knows well that both the Priests and the Laity receive the Holy Spirit. The Laity at Baptism and Confirmation, and the Priests also in those as well as in Ordination. But Priests have a special charism that enables them to teach. Recall that St. James says not many should become teachers, because those who teach will be more strictly judged. Those who are given the grace to teach receive a special divine assistance from the Holy Spirit. This applies especially to the Successors of St. Peter, whom God made the Rock of His Church on Earth, and gave the Keys of Heaven, to bind and loose on Earth. How do you understand that passage? How can God promise to bind it in Heaven if it wasn't guided by Him i.e. by His Spirit? [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 01:51, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
:'''RobSmith:''' ''Thou hast said it.'' You really "''should listen to what the authorized successors of Peter say''" in the Body of Christ under the infallible guidance of the Holy Spirit forever with the Church leading into all truth. The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church Jesus founded on a Rock, the Church which is the pillar and foundation of the truth of God, the one Church built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets and sent by Jesus as the Father sent Him, as the Savior of the world. You need to believe in the scriptures:
::*Obey the Church. Whoever does not listen to the Church is to be rejected as false and a traitor. Matthew 18:15-17
::*Jesus built his Church and not even the powers of hell shall prevail against it. Matthew 16:18
::*Whoever rejects Jesus and does not receive his sayings has a judge; the word that Jesus has spoken will be his judge on the last day. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2012%3A47 John 12:47][https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2012%3A48 12:48]
::*Whoever does not listen to the Church is to be rejected as false and a traitor. Matthew 18:15-17
::*Whoever rejects Jesus and does not receive his sayings has a judge; the word that Jesus has spoken will be his judge on the last day. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2012%3A47 John 12:47][https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2012%3A48 12:48]
::*The Church is the body of Christ. 1 Corinthians 12
::*The Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15
::*Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. Hebrews 13:17
::*Through the Church the manifold wisdom of God is known. Ephesians 3:10
::*Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution. (The Church) 1 Peter 2:13
::*Be subject to the elders (''presbyteroi'' = priests). "God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble." Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that in due time he may exalt you. 1 Peter 5:5-6
::*For there is no authority except from God, and '''those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.''' Romans 13:1-2
:If you reject the teaching authority of the church Jesus founded, you reject the scriptures that testify to it and to Him. <br>If you reject the authority of the scriptures testifying to the established authority of the church He built on the rock to teach the doctrines of God and rightly divide and interpret the word of God and Christian tradition handed on from the apostles of the word received not from men, but as it is, from God, you reject the word of God which supports it and Him. <br>If you reject the word of God you reject Him. <br>If you resist God you fight against Him. If you gather not with Him you scatter the sheep. <br>And if after having once been with him and tasted of the heavenly gift and partaken of the powers of heaven you then fall away (as you have) you are condemned. You can still be brought back from your error by the Church. <br>You cannot renew yourself unto repentance, it must be done by the Sacrament of Confession and Reconciliation in the Church administered by a priest of the Church who has the authentic authorized ministry of reconciliation entrusted and given by God to the Church. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 02:25, 12 July 2020 (EDT)