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:If you reject the teaching authority of the church Jesus founded, you reject the scriptures that testify to it and to Him. <br>If you reject the authority of the scriptures testifying to the established authority of the church He built on the rock to teach the doctrines of God and rightly divide and interpret the word of God and Christian tradition handed on from the apostles of the word received not from men, but as it is, from God, you reject the word of God which supports it and Him. <br>If you reject the word of God you reject Him. <br>If you resist God you fight against Him. If you gather not with Him you scatter the sheep. <br>And if after having once been with him and tasted of the heavenly gift and partaken of the powers of heaven you then fall away (as you have) you are condemned. You can still be brought back from your error by the Church. <br>You cannot renew yourself unto repentance, it must be done by the Sacrament of Confession and Reconciliation in the Church administered by a priest of the Church who has the authentic authorized ministry of reconciliation entrusted and given by God to the Church. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 02:25, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
:If you reject the teaching authority of the church Jesus founded, you reject the scriptures that testify to it and to Him. <br>If you reject the authority of the scriptures testifying to the established authority of the church He built on the rock to teach the doctrines of God and rightly divide and interpret the word of God and Christian tradition handed on from the apostles of the word received not from men, but as it is, from God, you reject the word of God which supports it and Him. <br>If you reject the word of God you reject Him. <br>If you resist God you fight against Him. If you gather not with Him you scatter the sheep. <br>And if after having once been with him and tasted of the heavenly gift and partaken of the powers of heaven you then fall away (as you have) you are condemned. You can still be brought back from your error by the Church. <br>You cannot renew yourself unto repentance, it must be done by the Sacrament of Confession and Reconciliation in the Church administered by a priest of the Church who has the authentic authorized ministry of reconciliation entrusted and given by God to the Church. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 02:25, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
::Time and again all you preach is bondage. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:19, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
::Time and again all you preach is bondage. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:19, 12 July 2020 (EDT)
::One other note: IndependentSkeptic/Dataclarifier loves to toss around "authority of scripture" before he condemns to hell whoever he's preying on, whereas early on he (a) denied the authority of scripture several times and reposted his denial on several pages; and (b) repeatedly has not demonstrated any skill in the use of scripture; in fact his/her/them's misuse of scripture is easy to document, time and time again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:09, 12 July 2020 (EDT)