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:::You said, "''Do you even see the serious error, WE have to make satisfaction for OUR sins?''" Now take that same literalistic reasoning and apply it to these scriptures about who saves who:

:::You said, "''Do you even see the serious error, WE have to make satisfaction for OUR sins?''" Now take that same literalistic reasoning and apply it to these scriptures about who saves who:

:::'''Acts 2:40 "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, <big><big>Save yourselves</big></big> from this untoward generation." <br>Romans 11:14 "If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might <big><big>save</big></big> some of them." <br>1 Corinthians 7:16 "For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt <big><big>save</big></big> thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt <big><big>save</big></big> thy wife?" <br>1 Corinthians 9:22 "To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means <big><big>save</big></big> some. <br>Colossians 1:24 "and [ "<big><big>I</big></big>" ] fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in <big>my flesh</br> for his body's sake, which is the church"<br>1 Timothy 4:16 "Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both <big><big>save thyself</big></big>, and them that hear thee." <br>James 5:15 "the prayer of faith shall <big><big>save</big></big> the sick" <br>James 5:20 "he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way, shall <big><big>save</big></big> a soul from death" <br>1 Peter 3:21 "even baptism doth also now <big><big>save</big></big> us" <br>Jude 23 "And others <big><big>save</big></big> with fear, pulling them out of the fire"

:::'''Acts 2:40 "And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, <big><big>Save yourselves</big></big> from this untoward generation." <br>Romans 11:14 "If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might <big><big>save</big></big> some of them." <br>1 Corinthians 7:16 "For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt <big><big>save</big></big> thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt <big><big>save</big></big> thy wife?" <br>1 Corinthians 9:22 "To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means <big><big>save</big></big> some. <br>Colossians 1:24 "and [ "<big><big>I</big></big>" ] fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in <big>my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church"<br>1 Timothy 4:16 "Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both <big><big>save thyself</big></big>, and them that hear thee." <br>James 5:15 "the prayer of faith shall <big><big>save</big></big> the sick" <br>James 5:20 "he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way, shall <big><big>save</big></big> a soul from death" <br>1 Peter 3:21 "even baptism doth also now <big><big>save</big></big> us" <br>Jude 23 "And others <big><big>save</big></big> with fear, pulling them out of the fire"

:::You reason that Jesus is the only Savior, '''''but not the Church'''''. But these verses do not mention Jesus as the one who saves. According to you this is a "serious error", since "''there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved''". The "serious error" is only in your distorted interpretation of scripture as opposing the Church sent as the Savior of the world, whose members will do greater works than Jesus did, according to his promise in John 14:12. The Church is Jesus, His Body, the Savior. The doctrines of the Church are His Doctrines, taught by God the Holy Spirit through His ambassadors to whom He has given the ministry of reconciliation as the Savior of the world and speak in place of Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18-20. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 11:43, 12 July 2020 (EDT)

:::You reason that Jesus is the only Savior, '''''but not the Church'''''. But these verses do not mention Jesus as the one who saves. According to you this is a "serious error", since "''there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved''". The "serious error" is only in your distorted interpretation of scripture as opposing the Church sent as the Savior of the world, whose members will do greater works than Jesus did, according to his promise in John 14:12. The Church is Jesus, His Body, the Savior. The doctrines of the Church are His Doctrines, taught by God the Holy Spirit through His ambassadors to whom He has given the ministry of reconciliation as the Savior of the world and speak in place of Christ, 2 Corinthians 5:18-20. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 11:43, 12 July 2020 (EDT)