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Debate: Does the Magisterium have authority over the Bible, or does the Bible have authority over the Magisterium? (view source)
Revision as of 20:51, August 2, 2020
, 20:51, August 2, 2020→Matthew 15:8-9
Jesus summed up the problems with the [[Roman Catholic]] Magisterium with these words:
Jesus summed up the problems with the [[Roman Catholic]] Magisterium with these words:
*''‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 9 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’''<ref>https://biblia.com/bible/esv/matthew/15/8-9</ref>
*''‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 9 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’''<ref>https://biblia.com/bible/esv/matthew/15/8-9</ref>
====The question of papal primacy and Apostolic tradition====
Borrowed from [[Authority Forever debate]]:
'''1.''' Meaning of: "And I tell you, you are Peter (Petros = rock/stone), and on this rock I will build my CHURCH, and the powers of death / the gates of hades shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." - Matthew 16:18-19
Please see:
*[https://bible.org/question/what-did-jesus-mean-when-he-said-%E2%80%9Cupon-rock-i-will-build-my-church%E2%80%9D What did Jesus mean when he said, “Upon this rock I will build my church”?]
*[https://blog.tms.edu/upon-this-rock Upon This Rock]
*[https://www.gotquestions.org/upon-this-rock.html What is the rock in Matthew 16:18?]
'''2.''' The historical evidence for papal primacy is insufficient. The historical evidence is against papal primacy.
See:
*[https://www.tomorrowsworld.org/magazines/2009/march-april/papal-primacy PAPAL PRIMACY?]
*[https://christiantruth.com/articles/articles-roman-catholicism/forgeries/ Forgeries and the Papacy: The Historical Influence and Use of Forgeries in Promotion of the Doctrine of the Papacy] By William Webster
"The word “Pope” means “Papa,” “Father.” At first it was applied to all Western Bishops. About AD. 500 it began to be restricted to the Bishop of Rome, and soon, in common use, came to mean Universal Bishop. The Roman Catholic list of Popes includes the Bishops of Rome from the 1st century onward. But for 500 years Bishops of Rome were NOT Popes.
'''The idea that the Bishop of Rome should have Authority over the Whole Church was a slow growth process, bitterly contested at every step, and has never at any time been Universally Recognized, not even prior to the Protestant Reformation.'''
WBSG Note: Jesus tells us in the Bible to “call no man your father on earth.” We know that He wasn’t speaking about your flesh parent because the fifth commandment says: “Honor thy father and thy mother…” [Ex 20:12]. So what other father could He mean except Pope (The word “Pope” means “Papa,” “Father.”). Also notice the capitalization below in the word Father (this indicates the presence of the definite article in the Greek language):
Matt 23:9 (Jesus speaking) 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. (KJV)
The Roman Catholic tradition that Peter was the First Pope is Fiction pure and simple. There is no New Testament hint, and no historical evidence whatever, that Peter was at any time Bishop of Rome. Nor did he ever claim for himself such Authority as the Popes have claimed for themselves. It seems that Peter had a divine foreboding that his “Successors” would be mainly concerned with “Lording it over Gods flock, rather than showing themselves Examples to the flock” (I Peter 5:3)....
'''Beginning of Rome’s Domineering Policy:'''
*Anicetus, Bishop of Rome (154-168), tried to influence [[Polycarp of Smyrna|Polycarp]], Bishop of Smyrna, to change the date of Easter observance; but Polycarp refused to yield... (Polycarp was a disciple of the Apostle John)...
*Victor 1 (190-202), threatened to excommunicate the Eastern Churches for celebrating Easter on the 14th of Nisan. Polycrates, Bishop of Ephesus, replied that he was not afraid of Victors threats, and asserted his independent authority. Iranaeus, of Lyons, though a Western Bishop, and in sympathy with the Western viewpoint on Easter Observance, that is, the week-day rather than the month-day, rebuked Victor for trying to Dictate to Eastern Churches."[https://mannastore5776.wordpress.com/2015/09/14/halleys-handbook-church-history/]
==See also==
==See also==