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Debate:Is Holy Communion the True Body and Precious Blood of Jesus Christ (view source)
Revision as of 18:01, August 5, 2020
, 18:01, August 5, 2020→My body is meat indeed
:Comment: ''the flesh profiteth nothing'' cancels out ''my body is meat indeed'' ("meat" as understood by the carnal mind). Jesus is simply saying that his body and blood is an acceptable sacrifice to God for the sins of the world. We of course know how this all ends, with Christ's body and blood being offered as an acceptable sacrifice; the hearers and followers when he spoke this had no idea what he was talking about. Hence their confusion.
:Comment: ''the flesh profiteth nothing'' cancels out ''my body is meat indeed'' ("meat" as understood by the carnal mind). Jesus is simply saying that his body and blood is an acceptable sacrifice to God for the sins of the world. We of course know how this all ends, with Christ's body and blood being offered as an acceptable sacrifice; the hearers and followers when he spoke this had no idea what he was talking about. Hence their confusion.
====1 Cor. 10 - ''behold Israel after the flesh''====
Above we have from the protagonists an extensive reading from John 6:48-58 addressed to ''Israel after the flesh'', and leaves out the spiritual context Jesus applies from verses 60-64. This is quite common in Roman Catholic doctrine, and more evidence of their Pharisaical tradition. Again, in 1 Corinthians 10 Paul clearly is speaking of examples (verse 6), examples which some of our Catholic brethren have struggled with in these Debates, for example, ''Was the gospel preached to Israel in the wilderness?'' which is clerarly corroborated, again in the opening verses:
{{quotebox|Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were '''all baptized''' unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did '''all eat the same spiritual meat;''' 4 And did '''all drink the same spiritual drink:''' for '''they drank of that spiritual Rock''' that followed them: '''and that Rock was Christ.'''}}
A ''spiritual Rock''. Hmmm, elsewhere Roman protagonists argue that spiritual rock is not Christ, but Peter.
*'''Verse 6''' - ''Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.''
*'''Verse 9''' - ''Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.''
More evidence the gospel was preached to Israel in the wilderness and Christ was with them.''
*'''Verse 11''' - ''Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.''
Again, '''''examples'''''. Why was Israel overthrown in the wilderness? Because they did not mix the word with faith.
*'''Verse 15''' - I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
*'''Pr. 9:10''' - ''The fear of the Lord is he beginning of wisdom.''
*'''1 Cor. 1:19''' - ''I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.''
*'''1 Cor. 2:12-14''' - ''Now '''we have received''', not the spirit of the world, but '''the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given''' to us of God. '''Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,''' but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. '''But the natural man''' [carnal mind] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
*'''1 Cor. 3:19''' - ''For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God.''
*'''James 1:5''' - ''If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.''
Transubstantiation lacks the wisdom of God, and is based upon the wisdom or understanding of men. It is wholly the teaching of the natural man and carnal mind that has not experienced the new birth or spiritual birth, and new life in Christ.
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