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Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever? (view source)
Revision as of 22:01, August 5, 2020
, 22:01, August 5, 2020→Peter the Rock: removed electronic signature brackets from User:RobSmith|RobS<sup>User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q</sup>
:::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 17:21, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
:::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 17:21, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
::::Jesus simply said what he said. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:31, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
::::Jesus simply said what he said. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:31, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
:::I bet $100 I can go to biblehub and find another expert source to refute whoever that was. This is what you call [[confirmation bias]].
:::You can weasel your way out of this mess by simply saying, ''Christ is the head of the corner'' User:RobSmith|RobS<sup>User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q</sup>
::::None of them there refutes the '''Greek grammar''' of the passage. You can check it for yourself. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:19, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::It's a play on words. What do the commentaries have to say about
:::::*'''1 Corinthians 3:11''' - ''For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.'' User:RobSmith|RobS<sup>User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q</sup> 17:25, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::Jesus simply said what he said. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:30, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::(ec) You even get a twofer in this argument: ''Cephas'' also means ''head''. Is Peter the chief Capstone? User:RobSmith|RobS<sup>User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q</sup> 17:31, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::Jesus simply meant what he said according to the Greek. "''I say to you, you are a rock, and on this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.''" I can't change it. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:37, 5 August 2020 (EDT)<br>Even the KJV text of John 1:42 says, "'''And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.'''" Not even the KJV says it means "head": it says "which is by interpretation, A stone." According to the interlinear text of John 1:42 this word "Cephas" is from the Aramaic "kepa" which means "a rock". Check out [https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g4074 Strong's number G4074] for "stone" at John 1:42. Whether big or small it still means "a rock". --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::(ec) Let's go back to the original citation in scripture, Isaiah 28:16:
:::::{{quotebox|''Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.''}}
:::::This scripture is repeated numerous times in the Bible by Luke, Peter and Paul. Two questions: (1) Is this unfulfilled prophecy? (2) Are you attempting to lay a foundation other than that which has been laid? User:RobSmith|RobS<sup>User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q</sup> 17:40, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::Jesus also said (Matt 21:44), ''whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder''
:::::so if you haven't been broken yet (repentance) or ground to powder, ye are still in your sin - pride, the original sin. User:RobSmith|RobS<sup>User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q</sup> 17:53, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::I didn't say it. Jesus did. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:01, 5 August 2020 (EDT)
==See also==
==See also==