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Debate:Does the Catholic Church have the biblical authority of Christ Himself to preach and to teach the truth forever? (view source)
Revision as of 23:29, August 7, 2020
, 23:29, August 7, 2020→Peter the Rock
::For the benefit of readers who need to check for themselves as the Beroeans did in Acts 17:10-12, the above chapter-and-verse passages are: Romans 13:1-2; Matthew 16:18; 1 Timothy 3:15; Ephesians 2:9; 1 Corinthians 12:12-13; Acts 20:28; Ephesians 2:21-22; John 14:16-17; John 16:13; Hebrews 13:17; Acts 20:28 (''again''); '''2''' Thessalonians 2:15; Matthew 16:19; Matthew 18:18; 1 John 2:18-19; Jude 8; Jude 19; John 2:18-19 (''again''); Galatians 1:6-7; '''2''' Corinthians 11:4; Hebrews 13:17 (''again''); 1 Peter 2:13-17; 1 Peter 5:5-6; Romans 13:1-2 (''again''); 1 Peter 5:5-6 (''again''). Compare John 8:43; John 8:47.<br>Let me point out that in Ephesians 2:19-20 the household of God (''which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth'' 1 Timothy 3:15) is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone (supporting the whole foundation); and that the new Jerusalem has '''twelve foundations''', and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb (but the Lamb is not one of the twelve foundations, Revelation 20:16); and that the living '''stone''' is joined by living '''stones''' built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood (1 Peter 2:4-5). There is no contradiction in Jesus saying to Peter (= "rock"), "you are a '''rock''', and on this '''rock''' I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". <br>Since scripture cannot contradict scripture, "and the scripture cannot be broken", because God "cannot deny himself", there is no contradiction in the Bible saying Jesus is the rock foundation supporting Peter and the apostles and prophets as the twelve foundations of the new Jerusalem and that Peter is the rock on which he built his church as He Himself said according to the Greek grammar of what he said which points to Peter not Jesus. The foundation of the church is firm as rock, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 7:24.<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 05:47, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
::For the benefit of readers who need to check for themselves as the Beroeans did in Acts 17:10-12, the above chapter-and-verse passages are: Romans 13:1-2; Matthew 16:18; 1 Timothy 3:15; Ephesians 2:9; 1 Corinthians 12:12-13; Acts 20:28; Ephesians 2:21-22; John 14:16-17; John 16:13; Hebrews 13:17; Acts 20:28 (''again''); '''2''' Thessalonians 2:15; Matthew 16:19; Matthew 18:18; 1 John 2:18-19; Jude 8; Jude 19; John 2:18-19 (''again''); Galatians 1:6-7; '''2''' Corinthians 11:4; Hebrews 13:17 (''again''); 1 Peter 2:13-17; 1 Peter 5:5-6; Romans 13:1-2 (''again''); 1 Peter 5:5-6 (''again''). Compare John 8:43; John 8:47.<br>Let me point out that in Ephesians 2:19-20 the household of God (''which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth'' 1 Timothy 3:15) is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the chief cornerstone (supporting the whole foundation); and that the new Jerusalem has '''twelve foundations''', and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb (but the Lamb is not one of the twelve foundations, Revelation 20:16); and that the living '''stone''' is joined by living '''stones''' built into a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood (1 Peter 2:4-5). There is no contradiction in Jesus saying to Peter (= "rock"), "you are a '''rock''', and on this '''rock''' I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". <br>Since scripture cannot contradict scripture, "and the scripture cannot be broken", because God "cannot deny himself", there is no contradiction in the Bible saying Jesus is the rock foundation supporting Peter and the apostles and prophets as the twelve foundations of the new Jerusalem and that Peter is the rock on which he built his church as He Himself said according to the Greek grammar of what he said which points to Peter not Jesus. The foundation of the church is firm as rock, the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Matthew 7:24.<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 05:47, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
:::Roman Catholic doctrine is built on a one legged stool that Peter is the foundation rock of the church, not Christ. And furthermore that "all authority", which includes "authority" to nullify prophecy and scripture, was passed to men. When this one leg is kicked out from the foundation, the entire doctrinal structure comes down.
:::As can be seen above, the Catholic gospel is a gospel of wrath and condemnation, promising hell to people who do not follow the ordinances of men. Example, the church ordered in A.D. 1950 that whosever doesn't attend mass on August 15th will go to hell (a few loopholes and exemptions were written into this new divine revelation).
:::By replacing Peter as the foundation Rock upon which the Christian church is built, no other scriptures of the Bible make sense. Roman Catholics in fact are offended when the Bible is quoted, such as 1 Peter 2:8, '''''a rock of offense''''', proving the truth of the Bible. Christ is a Rock offense to those yet in their pride and sin, as the Pharisees were.
:::Pride is original sin - ''worshipping and serving the creature more that the Creator'', as Lucifer did when he led the rebellion against God and was cast down to earth. God made a plan to re-take the earth from evil when he created [[Adam]]; however Adam soon joined the rebellion against God and lifted himself up in pride. Jesus came to reconcile us with God and finish the work of retaking the earth from evil. But Roman doctrine only preaches wrath (as aptly illustrated in the above posting) to those who refuse the decrees of men, which render the Word of God to no affect.
:::Infant baptism theoretically washes away self-will and pride, making a grown adult believe they have no need to humble themselves and repent of this egregious error and sin, that like Jews of the circumcision they had no need to hear Jesus's voice because by birthright they were already Sons of God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 19:29, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
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