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Talk:Debate: Is the Roman Catholic doctrine of grace biblical? (view source)
Revision as of 14:51, August 25, 2020
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::'''Obey''' your leaders who spoke the word of the Lord. Hebrews 13:7 and 17, and 1 Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-2, and Matthew 18:15-18. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:07, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br>This is where you fall down, in your utter disregard for every passage of the Bible that commands obedience to established authority. Like the Pharisees "who go about to establish their own righteousness" in opposition to the ordinance of God. That was the "discovery" of the Protestant Reformation, together with private interpretation of the scriptures against the word of Peter that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation and his warning that unstable and ignorant people are the ones who distort the scriptures, to their own destruction. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:12, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::'''Obey''' your leaders who spoke the word of the Lord. Hebrews 13:7 and 17, and 1 Peter 2:13-17 and Romans 13:1-2, and Matthew 18:15-18. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:07, 25 August 2020 (EDT)<br>This is where you fall down, in your utter disregard for every passage of the Bible that commands obedience to established authority. Like the Pharisees "who go about to establish their own righteousness" in opposition to the ordinance of God. That was the "discovery" of the Protestant Reformation, together with private interpretation of the scriptures against the word of Peter that no prophecy of scripture is of private interpretation and his warning that unstable and ignorant people are the ones who distort the scriptures, to their own destruction. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:12, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:''Render unto Caeser'' is essentially what those verses mean. ''He bares not the sword in vain'', i.e. the cops carry a gun for a reason. This is strictly life in the flesh and has little or nothing to do with salvation. You seem to forget ''My kingdom is not of this world.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:17, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::You need to go back and study Hebrews chapter 4 again. Disobedience = lack of faith, or not believing God when the gospel was preached. Obedience = trusting God and/or trusting God's word when hear the gospel. You attach, as he Roman church teaches as doctrine, an entirely fleshly or carnal meaning to the word "obedience" and "obey". You associate "obedience" and "disobedience" with getting a spanking. The Bible says disobedience is not believing the gospel. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:51, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:''Render unto Caesar'' is essentially what those verses mean. ''He bares not the sword in vain'', i.e. the cops carry a gun for a reason. This is strictly life in the flesh and has little or nothing to do with salvation. You seem to forget ''My kingdom is not of this world.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:17, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::And you utterly disregard Christ's word about those who refuse to listen to the church, and his command to hear what the Spirit says to the churches. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:22, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::And you utterly disregard Christ's word about those who refuse to listen to the church, and his command to hear what the Spirit says to the churches. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 10:22, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::Let's go a step further: Jesus says we are sexless in the afterlife (''they neither marry nor are given in marriage''); the Roman church, with a cute little piece of deception, declares Mary a "Mediatrix". What a farce! And they've had 2,000 years to add this kind of nonsense and garbage to ''render the word of God to no effect''. Why? So they can continue in their pride and not humble themselves before God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:26, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::Let's go a step further: Jesus says we are sexless in the afterlife (''they neither marry nor are given in marriage''); the Roman church, with a cute little piece of deception, declares Mary a "Mediatrix". What a farce! And they've had 2,000 years to add this kind of nonsense and garbage to ''render the word of God to no effect''. Why? So they can continue in their pride and not humble themselves before God. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 10:26, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
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