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Talk:Debate: Is the Roman Catholic doctrine of grace biblical? (view source)
Revision as of 15:48, August 25, 2020
, 15:48, August 25, 2020→Debate: Is the Roman Catholic doctrine of grace biblical
:::::Oh, so Paul commanded that Christians be in submission to Hitler, Stalin, and Xi Jinping. That's encouraging. But it would need it's own Debate page after we resolve whether the Roman Catholic church preaches a gospel of law and wrath or a gospel of grace and salvation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:26, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::Oh, so Paul commanded that Christians be in submission to Hitler, Stalin, and Xi Jinping. That's encouraging. But it would need it's own Debate page after we resolve whether the Roman Catholic church preaches a gospel of law and wrath or a gospel of grace and salvation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:26, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::The authority of Christ dwelling by his Holy Spirit in the Church he established, against which the gates of hell (represented by those three despots you mention) shall not prevail, is a '''higher''' authority than the authority of Hitler, Stalin, and Xi Jinping, because Jesus established the authority of the church he built firmly on a rock by his divine word. The word of God commands obedience to the leaders who spoke the word of God and watch over our souls (Hebrews 13:7,13; 1 Peter 5:5-6). That obedience "trumps" the authority of evil despots and dictators who defile human dignity and hate Judaeo-Christian morality, such as Nebuchadnezzar who commanded the three children of Israel to commit idolatry by bowing to a pagan image (not a Christian iconic image of holiness), or Antiochus IV Epiphanes who commanded the followers of Judaism not to obey the dictates of the law and tore up copies of the Torah and demanded eating swine's flesh and offer incense to Greek images of the pagan gods who are not Christian saints, and the Sanhedrin who commanded the apostles of the Lord not to preach and teach in the name of Jesus. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 11:45, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
::::::The authority of Christ dwelling by his Holy Spirit in the Church he established, against which the gates of hell (represented by those three despots you mention) shall not prevail, is a '''higher''' authority than the authority of Hitler, Stalin, and Xi Jinping, because Jesus established the authority of the church he built firmly on a rock by his divine word. The word of God commands obedience to the leaders who spoke the word of God and watch over our souls (Hebrews 13:7,13; 1 Peter 5:5-6). That obedience "trumps" the authority of evil despots and dictators who defile human dignity and hate Judaeo-Christian morality, such as Nebuchadnezzar who commanded the three children of Israel to commit idolatry by bowing to a pagan image (not a Christian iconic image of holiness), or Antiochus IV Epiphanes who commanded the followers of Judaism not to obey the dictates of the law and tore up copies of the Torah and demanded eating swine's flesh and offer incense to Greek images of the pagan gods who are not Christian saints, and the Sanhedrin who commanded the apostles of the Lord not to preach and teach in the name of Jesus. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 11:45, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::::Ok, so we're speaking hypothetically now. A Christian who gets a draft notice to serve as a camp guard at Auschwitz isn't bound by the Bible to submit, as you allege, correct? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:48, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
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