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Talk:Debate: Is the Roman Catholic doctrine of grace biblical? (view source)
Revision as of 15:44, August 26, 2020
, 15:44, August 26, 2020→Phony scholarship and phony authority
::::You can't merit grace at all. It's a standing offer. You have a choice to either accept it or ignore it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:00, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
::::You can't merit grace at all. It's a standing offer. You have a choice to either accept it or ignore it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:00, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
===Isaiah 28 - more context===
Perhaps looking at Isaiah chapter 28 will give more context. Verses 1 and what immediately follows puts in finger on pride. As the problem. These were the people whose carcasses did not fall in the wilderness, and entered in. Verse 12 revisits how the word not mixed with faith is what gave them law rather than grace. Then we have a section on the futility of he law, how it cannot save. Finally we arrive at the situation of Israel then, and the Roman Catholic church now in vers 15: ''with hell are we in agreement''. And ultimately the famous prophecy of verse 16, which the "author of confusion" (another title of Satan) has used to blind people's eyes.
{{quotebox|28 '''Woe to the crown of pride''', to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!
2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.
3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:
4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.
5 In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,
6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.
7 But '''they also have erred''' through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; '''they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.'''
8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.
9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
12 To whom he said, '''This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: ''yet they would not hear.'''''
13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
14 Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15 Because ye have said, '''We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:'''
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.}}
*''We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:''
This is what happens to those who chose law over grace.
*Verse 16: The foundation stone of Roman church doctrine rejects this offer of grace and salvation; ''he that believeth shall not make haste'', translated, "stop spinning your wheels with redundant spam." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:44, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
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