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:::::::::::::An explanation is still needed for how the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen. Jesus is God Who cannot lie. The antagonist position has not addressed this. I suggest that this issue of the claim of the Reformation that the Catholic Church became Antichrist and the claim of a [[Great Apostasy]] be debated: [[Debate: Have the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen? Did Christ who cannot lie fail to fulfill his promise?]] --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:54, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
 
:::::::::::::An explanation is still needed for how the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen. Jesus is God Who cannot lie. The antagonist position has not addressed this. I suggest that this issue of the claim of the Reformation that the Catholic Church became Antichrist and the claim of a [[Great Apostasy]] be debated: [[Debate: Have the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen? Did Christ who cannot lie fail to fulfill his promise?]] --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:54, 26 August 2020 (EDT)
 
::::::::::::::You've spammed that question at least 10 times now by my count; it's been answered several times already . Here's one more answer: Some people are born with an IQ or 160, others with an IQ of 85.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 01:16, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
 
::::::::::::::You've spammed that question at least 10 times now by my count; it's been answered several times already . Here's one more answer: Some people are born with an IQ or 160, others with an IQ of 85.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 01:16, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
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::::::::::::::The bottomline is quit simple. The monstrosity that has grown to be Roman Catholic doctrine is built upon a misunderstanding or misinterpretation of Matthew 16:18 When facts, evidence, logic, historical reality, the voice of God and the Holy Spirit threaten you within your neatly constructed comfort zone, and every mouth is stopped and knee forced to bend, your only fall back line is, "An explanation is still needed for how the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus bla bla bla...." when you speechlessly awake to realize you entire life has been built upon a lie.
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*''Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for '''we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:'''''
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::::::::::::::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 01:28, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
    
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