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==No, the gates of hell have never prevailed against the church Jesus built on a rock so that it never committed [[apostasy]] from the faith, because Jesus remains with the church always to the end of the world, and the Spirit of truth is with the church for ever leading into all the truth as Jesus promised, and Jesus is God Who cannot lie.==
 
==No, the gates of hell have never prevailed against the church Jesus built on a rock so that it never committed [[apostasy]] from the faith, because Jesus remains with the church always to the end of the world, and the Spirit of truth is with the church for ever leading into all the truth as Jesus promised, and Jesus is God Who cannot lie.==
 
===User: IndependentSkeptic===
 
===User: IndependentSkeptic===
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*According to the above argument, the gates of hell '''''have''''' prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, and therefore it cannot be the pillar and ground of the truth as Paul testified it is.  
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*According to the above argument, the gates of hell '''''have''''' prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, and therefore it cannot be the pillar and ground of the truth as Paul testified it is. Your position is that Jesus failed to fulfill his promise. You make Jesus out to be a liar. That is antichrist.
 
*'''Jesus''' said by his own divine authority that the gates of hell shall never prevail against the church he built.  
 
*'''Jesus''' said by his own divine authority that the gates of hell shall never prevail against the church he built.  
 
*''But you say it happened.''  
 
*''But you say it happened.''  
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