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Talk:Debate: Have the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen? Did Christ who cannot lie fail to fulfill his promise? (view source)
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::Oh, the [[Truth (logic|logic]] is inescapable! Only someone like yourself blinded by [[confirmation bias]] can't see it. <br>Look at [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+9%3A39-41&version=DRA;KJV;ESV;NIV;NABRE '''John 9:39-41''']. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 10:56, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
::Oh, the [[Truth (logic|logic]] is inescapable! Only someone like yourself blinded by [[confirmation bias]] can't see it. <br>Look at [https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+9%3A39-41&version=DRA;KJV;ESV;NIV;NABRE '''John 9:39-41''']. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 10:56, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
:Catechism teaches grace is merited. It's already cited in mainspace. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 11:03, 27 August 2020 (EDT)
:::Not the initial grace of salvation. No one can merit that. ''You just won't admit it.'' That's the teaching of the Catholic Church. That's the teaching of the ''Catechism''. Apart from Christ there is no meriting salvation. Only He saves. Only through Christ can we do anything. Only united to Him can we bear fruit. "For apart from me you can do nothing". We can't do it! Again, look at [http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htm '''Grace and Justification'''].
:::Not the initial grace of salvation. No one can merit that. ''You just won't admit it.'' That's the teaching of the Catholic Church. That's the teaching of the ''Catechism''. Apart from Christ there is no meriting salvation. Only He saves. Only through Christ can we do anything. Only united to Him can we bear fruit. "For apart from me you can do nothing". We can't do it! Again, look at [http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c3a2.htm '''Grace and Justification'''].