| | ::::::*Philippians 2:13 - ''For it is '''God''' which '''worketh in you''' both to will and to '''do''' of ''his'' good pleasure.'' <br>So we are not making ourselves righteous, but God in us doing his work through us is He Himself making us righteous, because we obey his will and do what he commands in us—''justice, mercy, love, keeping faith with him who calls us to the obedience of righteousness''. '''You ''blasphemously'' say that the righteous works of God done by Him in and through the willing cooperation of his people doing His good pleasure—His works (not their own)—are ''filthy rags!!'''''. Paul was talking about Pharisees, not Christians. '''The Holy Spirit is not unclean.''' That blasphemy is never forgiven. '''Matthew 12:30-34'''. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 17:36, 2 September 2020 (EDT) | | ::::::*Philippians 2:13 - ''For it is '''God''' which '''worketh in you''' both to will and to '''do''' of ''his'' good pleasure.'' <br>So we are not making ourselves righteous, but God in us doing his work through us is He Himself making us righteous, because we obey his will and do what he commands in us—''justice, mercy, love, keeping faith with him who calls us to the obedience of righteousness''. '''You ''blasphemously'' say that the righteous works of God done by Him in and through the willing cooperation of his people doing His good pleasure—His works (not their own)—are ''filthy rags!!'''''. Paul was talking about Pharisees, not Christians. '''The Holy Spirit is not unclean.''' That blasphemy is never forgiven. '''Matthew 12:30-34'''. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 17:36, 2 September 2020 (EDT) |
| | ::::::*John 15:1-2 - ''1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 '''Every branch <big>in me</big> that beareth not fruit he taketh away'''...'' | | ::::::*John 15:1-2 - ''1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 '''Every branch <big>in me</big> that beareth not fruit he taketh away'''...'' |
| − | ::::::*John 15:4-6 - ''4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch '''cannot bear fruit of itself''', except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye ''are'' the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same '''bringeth forth much fruit''': for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast ''them'' into the fire, and they are burned.'' --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 18:04, 2 September 2020 (EDT) | + | ::::::*John 15:4-6 - ''4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch '''cannot bear fruit of itself''', except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye ''are'' the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same '''bringeth forth much fruit''': for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast ''them'' into the fire, and they are burned.'' --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 18:04, 2 September 2020 (EDT){{quotation|'''CCC 1076''' In this age of the Church '''Christ now lives and acts in and with his Church''', in a new way appropriate to this new age. '''<big>He</big> acts through the sacraments''' in what the common Tradition of the East and the West calls "the sacramental economy"; this is '''the communication (or "dispensation") of the fruits of Christ's Paschal mystery''' in the celebration of the Church's "sacramental" liturgy. <br> — http://scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s1.htm (''<small>boldface added</small>'') }}--[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 18:12, 2 September 2020 (EDT) |
| | ::::Hi RobSmith, can you please save these replies as part of debates/disputes for later? As IndependentSkeptic mentioned [[User:Liberaltears/mail#Update:_hospitalization|here]], Dataclarifier's mother (who's in her nineties) had a serious accident earlier today, and while it seems that there wasn't anything that serious, they (especially D.C.) may be in extreme apprehension. Just in case you aren't already, can you please pray for D.C.'s mother to be all well as soon as possible? Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]'''''</sup> Wednesday, 15:19, 2 September 2020 (EDT) | | ::::Hi RobSmith, can you please save these replies as part of debates/disputes for later? As IndependentSkeptic mentioned [[User:Liberaltears/mail#Update:_hospitalization|here]], Dataclarifier's mother (who's in her nineties) had a serious accident earlier today, and while it seems that there wasn't anything that serious, they (especially D.C.) may be in extreme apprehension. Just in case you aren't already, can you please pray for D.C.'s mother to be all well as soon as possible? Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]<sup>'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]'''''</sup> Wednesday, 15:19, 2 September 2020 (EDT) |