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:::::God lives and dwells and works in and through the Catholic Church. Yes there are weeds among the wheat. But God remains holy, and he has sanctified his church, cleansing her by the washing of water with the word, making her holy and without blemish, and those who are united to him by his grace he makes partakers of his own divine nature, making them holy. Those who fall back into sin have forgotten their cleansing and have fallen away from grace. Ephesians 5:21-27; 2 Peter 1:3-11. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 21:49, 2 September 2020 (EDT)

:::::God lives and dwells and works in and through the Catholic Church. Yes there are weeds among the wheat. But God remains holy, and he has sanctified his church, cleansing her by the washing of water with the word, making her holy and without blemish, and those who are united to him by his grace he makes partakers of his own divine nature, making them holy. Those who fall back into sin have forgotten their cleansing and have fallen away from grace. Ephesians 5:21-27; 2 Peter 1:3-11. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 21:49, 2 September 2020 (EDT)

::::::If you're declared righteous, you're without sin. If you're under law, you're without Christ. Again, not rocket science. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 22:14, 2 September 2020 (EDT)

::::::If you're declared righteous, you're without sin. If you're under law, you're without Christ. Again, not rocket science. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]} 22:14, 2 September 2020 (EDT)

:::::::It's possible to fall away from being declared righteous. See [https://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-17.htm '''2 Peter 3:17 and parallel passages of similar scripture.'''], including [https://biblehub.com/2_peter/2-20.htm '''2 Peter 2:20''']. ''Or maybe you choose not to read these parts of the Bible.'' --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 23:05, 2 September 2020 (EDT)

:::::::It's possible after being declared righteous by faith to fall away from being declared righteous. <br> See [https://biblehub.com/2_peter/3-17.htm '''2&nbsp;Peter 3:17 and parallel passages of similar scripture.'''], including [https://biblehub.com/2_peter/2-20.htm '''2&nbsp;Peter 2:20''']. <br> ''Or maybe you choose not to read these parts of the Bible.'' --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 23:05, 2 September 2020 (EDT)

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::::Hi RobSmith, can you please save these replies as part of debates/disputes for later? As IndependentSkeptic mentioned [[User:Liberaltears/mail#Update:_hospitalization|here]], Dataclarifier's mother (who's in her nineties) had a serious accident earlier today, and while it seems that there wasn't anything that serious, they (especially D.C.) may be in extreme apprehension. Just in case you aren't already, can you please pray for D.C.'s mother to be all well as soon as possible? Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]^{'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]'''''} Wednesday, 15:19, 2 September 2020 (EDT)

::::Hi RobSmith, can you please save these replies as part of debates/disputes for later? As IndependentSkeptic mentioned [[User:Liberaltears/mail#Update:_hospitalization|here]], Dataclarifier's mother (who's in her nineties) had a serious accident earlier today, and while it seems that there wasn't anything that serious, they (especially D.C.) may be in extreme apprehension. Just in case you aren't already, can you please pray for D.C.'s mother to be all well as soon as possible? Thank you! —[[User:Liberaltears|Liberaltears]]^{'''''[[User:Liberaltears/mail|May Dataclarifier be well!]] | [[Special:Contributions/Liberaltears|Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot!]]'''''} Wednesday, 15:19, 2 September 2020 (EDT)