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User talk:IndependentSkeptic (view source)
Revision as of 08:52, September 3, 2020
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::::::::Did Solomon fall away and be damned? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 23:18, 2 September 2020 (EDT)
::::::::Did Solomon fall away and be damned? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 23:18, 2 September 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::What does the scripture say? How do you read it? <br>I believe 1 Kings 11:9-11 "''Torn away''". --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 23:27, 2 September 2020 (EDT)
:::::::::What does the scripture say? How do you read it? <br>I believe 1 Kings 11:9-11 "''Torn away''". --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 23:27, 2 September 2020 (EDT)
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:It's a very interesting question, we could probably do a whole page on it. And I believe God wants the serious Bible student to study this question, comparing scripture with scripture. There are numerous scriptures to consider. [http://www.prca.org/current/Doctrine/Volume%2011/News-K-14.htm#Was_Solomon_Saved_] Let's take for a moment all of 1 Kings chapter 11 and all of 1 Corinthians chapter 3; (for this, you'd have to lay aside you thinking on 1 Corinthians 3:15). Solomon built the temple. Now consider this excerpt from 1 Corinthians 3:
:{{quotebox|12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: '''but he himself shall be saved;''' yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 '''If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;''' for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20 And again, '''The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.'''
21 '''Therefore let no man glory in men.'''}}
:Vanity of vanities. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. I boldened a few sections here, but there's much more. And we also have to consider ''I will remember their sins no more'' (Hebrews 8:12, 10:17), yet like Manasseh, Solomon's sins are embalmed into the bible.
:Now, I'm not ready to offer a definitive conclusion yet as to whether Solomon was saved. But in studying this question I superficially find two weaknesses in Roman Catholic doctrine: (1) a misunderstanding of 1 Corinthians 3:15 which we've addressed in debates elsewhere, and (2) and verse 21 above. There seems to be a whole of ''glorying in men'' in Roman Catholic doctrine, beginning with the claim that Mary is a "Mediatrix" given the fact that we are sexless in the resurrections, and much of the glorying in men you posted right here in this discussion thread.
:But let's not get sidetracked from the main question. I'm saying you might have reconsider what ''he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire'' means using the internal consistencies of the bible without any external sources, such as catechism. (At the same time, any scripture may have more than one application, so this does not dismiss your understanding of Purgatory completely, but it should open your eyes to the fact that there are other internal applications of ''he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire'' and your understanding is of 1 Cor. 3:15 is not definitive.
:We're only scratching the surface here of an important question that I believe God wants any serious bible student to study. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 04:52, 3 September 2020 (EDT)
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