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Debate: Have the gates of hell prevailed against the church Jesus founded on a rock, when He Himself said it could never happen? Did Christ who cannot lie fail to fulfill his promise? (view source)
Revision as of 23:10, September 5, 2020
, 23:10, September 5, 2020→The sacraments cannot save
:::::I have no intention of debating Martin Luther, only defending the promise of Christ that the gates of hell never will prevail against the doctrine of the church he built and have never prevailed in spite of the scandal of those whose lives have clearly violated the doctrine and holiness of the Church. I've done that here. I don't need to add to it, you would only try to provoke more debate, and it's not necessary. You've presented your case. I'm not convinced that Jesus failed to fulfill his promise. Jesus didn't lie. He cannot lie. And that's where it sits. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 08:03, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
:::::I have no intention of debating Martin Luther, only defending the promise of Christ that the gates of hell never will prevail against the doctrine of the church he built and have never prevailed in spite of the scandal of those whose lives have clearly violated the doctrine and holiness of the Church. I've done that here. I don't need to add to it, you would only try to provoke more debate, and it's not necessary. You've presented your case. I'm not convinced that Jesus failed to fulfill his promise. Jesus didn't lie. He cannot lie. And that's where it sits. --[[User:IndependentSkeptic|IndependentSkeptic]] ([[User talk:IndependentSkeptic|talk]]) 08:03, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
::::The problem you have is in claiming the validity of your interpretation of Matthew 16:18, on which the entire monstrosity of Roman Catholic doctrine is built. All the other scriptural evidence, that the foundation stone laid in Zion is Christ, not Peter, weighs against your claims that the catechism, encyclicals, traditions, etc have nullified biblical teaching. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:59, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
::::The problem you have is in claiming the validity of your interpretation of Matthew 16:18, on which the entire monstrosity of Roman Catholic doctrine is built. All the other scriptural evidence, that the foundation stone laid in Zion is Christ, not Peter, weighs against your claims that the catechism, encyclicals, traditions, etc have nullified biblical teaching. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 09:59, 29 August 2020 (EDT)
===CCC 460===
When did the Gates of Hell prevail against the Roman Catholic Church? Certainly sometime before the Roman church openly and officially declared so with the adoption of Paragraph 460 to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Official church doctrine teaches that man is equal to or becoming God.
{{quotbox|*'''CCC 460''' - "The Word became flesh to make us "partakers of the divine nature":78 "For this is why the Word became man, and the Son of God became the Son of man: so that man, by entering into communion with the Word and thus receiving divine sonship, might become a son of God."79 "For '''the Son of God became man so that we might become God'''."80<ref>http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p1.htm#460</ref> }}
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