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Essay:The Groyper Wars (view source)
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This is not [[establishment]] vs. anti-establishment. I am very anti-establishment. But these people attack [[movement conservative]]s as well as [[mainstream conservative|mainstream]] and establishment conservatives. [[The Washington Examiner]] may have forced its employees to get [[COVID vaccine|vaccinated against COVID-19]] even before [[Biden]]'s [[vaccine mandate|federal mandate]],<ref>https://thehill.com/homenews/media/565977-washington-examiner-to-require-vaccination-for-employees</ref> but [[The Daily Wire]] has refused to comply with the mandate.<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/daily-wire-leadership-lauded-for-standing-up-to-bidens-tyrannical-vaccination-mandate</ref>
This is not [[establishment]] vs. anti-establishment. I am very anti-establishment. But these people attack [[movement conservative]]s as well as [[mainstream conservative|mainstream]] and establishment conservatives. [[The Washington Examiner]] may have forced its employees to get [[COVID vaccine|vaccinated against COVID-19]] even before [[Biden]]'s [[vaccine mandate|federal mandate]],<ref>https://thehill.com/homenews/media/565977-washington-examiner-to-require-vaccination-for-employees</ref> but [[The Daily Wire]] has refused to comply with the mandate.<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/daily-wire-leadership-lauded-for-standing-up-to-bidens-tyrannical-vaccination-mandate</ref>
I don't have a problem with people who question or criticize the [[Civil Rights Movement]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H--xP8Xvnd8</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omukr2ML8BA&t=909s</ref> Elijah Schaffer called [[Abraham Lincoln]] a globalist,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37n6fi7R1uk&t=3198s</ref> and though I disagree I won't hold it against him. However, I take issue with people who trivialize, downplay, or engage in historical revisionism about the [[Holocaust]]. I'm not talking about clear-cut satire, as long as one makes sure the aim of the comedy is to deride neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers. Neither of those labels applies to Nick Fuentes or the famous Canadian anti-lockdown protester Chris Sky, but in the case of the former the satire seemed to be aimed against people who believe that 6,000,000 Jews died during this horrific genocide.<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/yQ_nzYWTOlY/</ref> Likewise, Chris Sky claimed that this figure originated in the [[Talmud]] and that it is unrealistic --- before storming out of the interview by [[Rebel News]]' David Menzies having accused the People's Party of Canada and Rebel News itself of being controlled opposition.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdYxBY-69WE</ref> A historical event with such a monumental toll on a group of people that caused such great collective emotional, physical, and psychological damage is and should be an incredibly sensitive topic. Even VDARE's John Derbyshire reprimanded Fuentes for his nonchalant attitude toward it.<ref>https://vdare.com/posts/from-the-derbyshire-email-bag-groypers-pro-and-con</ref>
You can disagree with Ben Shapiro on [[trade]]<ref>https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/03/12/debunking-ben-shapiro-tariffs/</ref> or [[theology]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyMCVjIvNnc</ref> People have respectfully challenged him in those areas, and he has admitted when he has been wrong.<ref>https://www.westernjournal.com/ben-shapiro-admits-trump-100-right-100-wrong-latest-report-true/</ref> Even his own co-workers have disagreed with him<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPcJ0qSl0pA</ref> or held differing opinions from him.<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/klavan-networks-are-lying-about-trumps-trade-war-daily-wire</ref> You can do that without [https://www.bitchute.com/video/u36xeZEjna8/ stooping to anti-Semitism or emotionalism], or attempting to humiliate him in front of his wife and children.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQDiPcBWEY</ref> Ben Shapiro is largely right about the groypers,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrWly5uNUI</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_RUxBTHN4</ref> despite the claims of some.<ref>https://bigleaguepolitics.com/shameful-never-trumper-ben-shapiro-quotes-a-nazi-to-smear-america-first-patriots/</ref> He is not the only one on the right side of this issue.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaZXqL4UuM&t=360s</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZTe0WohCuo</ref><ref>https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/very-disturbing-nick-fuentes-and-his-groypers-infiltrated-the-tpusa-event-last-night-and-bashed-gays-and-jews-video/</ref>
You can disagree with Ben Shapiro on [[trade]]<ref>https://nationaleconomicseditorial.com/2018/03/12/debunking-ben-shapiro-tariffs/</ref> or [[theology]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyMCVjIvNnc</ref> People have respectfully challenged him in those areas, and he has admitted when he has been wrong.<ref>https://www.westernjournal.com/ben-shapiro-admits-trump-100-right-100-wrong-latest-report-true/</ref> Even his own co-workers have disagreed with him<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPcJ0qSl0pA</ref> or held differing opinions from him.<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/klavan-networks-are-lying-about-trumps-trade-war-daily-wire</ref> You can do that without [https://www.bitchute.com/video/u36xeZEjna8/ stooping to anti-Semitism or emotionalism], or attempting to humiliate him in front of his wife and children.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQDiPcBWEY</ref> Ben Shapiro is largely right about the groypers,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGrWly5uNUI</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge_RUxBTHN4</ref> despite the claims of some.<ref>https://bigleaguepolitics.com/shameful-never-trumper-ben-shapiro-quotes-a-nazi-to-smear-america-first-patriots/</ref> He is not the only one on the right side of this issue.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkaZXqL4UuM&t=360s</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZTe0WohCuo</ref><ref>https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/very-disturbing-nick-fuentes-and-his-groypers-infiltrated-the-tpusa-event-last-night-and-bashed-gays-and-jews-video/</ref>
There are definitely legitimate criticisms of Trump, but those have little or nothing to do with [[Israel]]. And [[Donald Trump, Jr.]] didn't need to be heckled off the stage by an angry mob.<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/ddZLwc0K0EL4/</ref><ref>https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/11/donald_trump_jr_heckled_and_booed_off_stage_by_america_first_student_activists.html</ref> Nor should Nick Fuentes have been banned from [[YouTube]],<ref>https://reclaimthenet.org/nick-fuentes-banned-youtube/</ref> DLive,<ref>https://redpilled.ca/update-nick-fuentes-vows-to-fight-extremely-painful-legal-battle-against-dlive-for-illegitimately-banning-him-hours-after-the-new-york-times-ran-a-slanderous-hit-piece-on-him/</ref> Twitter, payment processors, kicked out of [[CPAC]],<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1HUHp3O-w&t=697s</ref> or put on a no-fly list like some kind of terrorist. He's not a terrorist. He's an eccentric young man with out-there ideas and erratic behaviour. [[Michael Knowles]] is a critic of Fuentes, but he won't hesitate to condemn the deep state for targeting him.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABJd_-tOXE&t=355s</ref> Good for him. [[Brandon Tatum]], another Fuentes critic, has given him credit for standing up for [[Capitol riot|the January 6 Capitol protesters]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHcfX8adtE&t=1929s</ref> DLive, an alt-tech and supposed pro-free speech platform, has also banned Vincent James,<ref>https://dlive.tv/VincentJames</ref> Baked Alaska,<ref>https://dlive.tv/BakedAlaska</ref> and Owen Benjamin<ref>https://dlive.tv/OwenBenjaminComedy</ref> in the aftermath of January 6. In the past, they banned [[Alex Jones]] and [[InfoWars]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/OfficialDLive/comments/bd5u1t/dlive_censoring_alex_jones_infowars_experiment/</ref> That censorship is wrong, and I have no problem condemning it.
There are definitely legitimate criticisms of Trump, but those have little or nothing to do with [[Israel]]. And [[Donald Trump, Jr.]] didn't need to be heckled off the stage by an angry mob.<ref>https://www.bitchute.com/video/ddZLwc0K0EL4/</ref><ref>https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/11/donald_trump_jr_heckled_and_booed_off_stage_by_america_first_student_activists.html</ref> Nor should Nick Fuentes have been banned from [[YouTube]],<ref>https://reclaimthenet.org/nick-fuentes-banned-youtube/</ref> DLive,<ref>https://redpilled.ca/update-nick-fuentes-vows-to-fight-extremely-painful-legal-battle-against-dlive-for-illegitimately-banning-him-hours-after-the-new-york-times-ran-a-slanderous-hit-piece-on-him/</ref> Twitter, payment processors, kicked out of [[CPAC]],<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp1HUHp3O-w&t=697s</ref> or put on a no-fly list like some kind of terrorist. He's not a terrorist. He's an eccentric young man with out-there ideas and erratic behaviour. [[Michael Knowles]] is a critic of Fuentes, but he won't hesitate to condemn the deep state for targeting him.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABJd_-tOXE&t=355s</ref> Good for him. [[Brandon Tatum]], another Fuentes critic, has given him credit for standing up for [[Capitol riot|the January 6 Capitol protesters]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsHcfX8adtE&t=1929s</ref> DLive, an alt-tech and supposed pro-free speech platform, has also banned Vincent James,<ref>https://dlive.tv/VincentJames</ref> Baked Alaska,<ref>https://dlive.tv/BakedAlaska</ref> and Owen Benjamin<ref>https://dlive.tv/OwenBenjaminComedy</ref> in the aftermath of January 6. In the past, they banned [[Alex Jones]] and [[InfoWars]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/OfficialDLive/comments/bd5u1t/dlive_censoring_alex_jones_infowars_experiment/</ref> That censorship is wrong, and I have no problem condemning it.
Occasionally, Zionists need to be called out. In May 2021, a Jewish supremacist Zionist assaulted the chief videographer of [[Rebel News]] Mocha Bezirgan without provocation at a pro-Israel rally in Montreal, Canada. As Bezirgan reported the incident to a police officer, other Jewish supremacist Zionists present covered for the attacker, falsely accused Bezirgan of being armed, and made derogatory comments toward Bezirgan based on his ethnicity.<ref>https://www.rebelnews.com/pro-israel_protester_punches_rebel_journalist_during_duelling_montreal_rallies</ref><ref>https://www.rebelnews.com/_it_was_very_unexpected_rebel_journalist_assaulted_during_duelling_israel_palestine_protests_in_montreal</ref> Rebel News thankfully went to bat for Bezirgan. Jewish Zionist Ezra Levant rightly condemned these people,<ref>https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1394025792850518018</ref> as did Zionists David Menzies and Sheila Gunn Reid.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZrPYTJQaDU&t=601s</ref> It isn't difficult for me to say that the behaviour of those protesters was disgusting and despicable.
Occasionally, Zionists need to be called out. In May 2021, a Jewish supremacist Zionist assaulted the chief videographer of Rebel News Mocha Bezirgan without provocation at a pro-Israel rally in Montreal, Canada. As Bezirgan reported the incident to a police officer, other Jewish supremacist Zionists present covered for the attacker, falsely accused Bezirgan of being armed, and made derogatory comments toward Bezirgan based on his ethnicity.<ref>https://www.rebelnews.com/pro-israel_protester_punches_rebel_journalist_during_duelling_montreal_rallies</ref><ref>https://www.rebelnews.com/_it_was_very_unexpected_rebel_journalist_assaulted_during_duelling_israel_palestine_protests_in_montreal</ref> Rebel News thankfully went to bat for Bezirgan. Jewish Zionist Ezra Levant rightly condemned these people,<ref>https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1394025792850518018</ref> as did Zionists David Menzies and Sheila Gunn Reid.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZrPYTJQaDU&t=601s</ref> It isn't difficult for me to say that the behaviour of those protesters was disgusting and despicable.
If you don't like Israel, that's fine. I have my disagreements with Israel, past (i.e., [https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-lavon-affair the Lavon Affair]) and present (i.e., [https://nationalfile.com/israel-now-forces-citizens-to-get-booster-jabs-every-six-months-or-lose-vaccine-passport/ mandatory COVID-19 booster shots]). There’s nothing wrong with critiquing mass immigration even from a [[demography|demographic]] standpoint. Matt Walsh,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwzeKt-lXjA&t=1916s</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjOMi-lyKtg</ref> Michael Knowles,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJe-RbOW-nQ&t=419s</ref> and even Charlie Kirk<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlI23vc8-_Y&t=423s</ref> have critically addressed the decline in the white population. If you don't want to disavow Nick Fuentes or Michelle Malkin, then don't. If you don't want to support Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk, don't. No-one has a gun to your head, so stop pretending there is. I do find it odd that [[PragerU]] would remove Owen Benjamin's videos since he became a rabid anti-Zionist<ref>https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/comedian-adam-carollas-new-documentary-accidentally-reveals-that-a-lot-of-conservative-free-speech-warriors-are-just-free-speech-tourists/articleshow/73206973.cms</ref> while leaving up the videos by [[Alan Dershowitz]],<ref>https://www.prageru.com/presenters/alan-dershowitz</ref> who has been credibly linked to [[Jeffrey Epstein]].<ref>https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/true-crime/alan-dershowitz-epstein/</ref> No trouble pointing that out. I don't even like [[Dan Crenshaw]] anymore. But when people attack even strong conservatives like The Daily Wire's employees Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Candace Owens, I take issue with that.
If you don't like Israel, that's fine. I have my disagreements with Israel, past (i.e., [https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-lavon-affair the Lavon Affair]) and present (i.e., [https://nationalfile.com/israel-now-forces-citizens-to-get-booster-jabs-every-six-months-or-lose-vaccine-passport/ mandatory COVID-19 booster shots]). There’s nothing wrong with critiquing mass immigration even from a [[demography|demographic]] standpoint. Matt Walsh,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwzeKt-lXjA&t=1916s</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjOMi-lyKtg</ref> Michael Knowles,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJe-RbOW-nQ&t=419s</ref> and even Charlie Kirk<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlI23vc8-_Y&t=423s</ref> have critically addressed the decline in the white population. If you don't want to disavow Nick Fuentes or Michelle Malkin, then don't. If you don't want to support Ben Shapiro or Charlie Kirk, don't. No-one has a gun to your head, so stop pretending there is. I do find it odd that [[PragerU]] would remove Owen Benjamin's videos since he became a rabid anti-Zionist<ref>https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/comedian-adam-carollas-new-documentary-accidentally-reveals-that-a-lot-of-conservative-free-speech-warriors-are-just-free-speech-tourists/articleshow/73206973.cms</ref> while leaving up the videos by [[Alan Dershowitz]],<ref>https://www.prageru.com/presenters/alan-dershowitz</ref> who has been credibly linked to [[Jeffrey Epstein]].<ref>https://filmdaily.co/obsessions/true-crime/alan-dershowitz-epstein/</ref> No trouble pointing that out. I don't even like [[Dan Crenshaw]] anymore. But when people attack even strong conservatives like The Daily Wire's employees Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Candace Owens, I take issue with that.