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:::::::::I agree NATO should be abolished, but it should NOT be abolished until AFTER Marxism and all its forms, yes, including Jacobin-style politics, is completely and utterly destroyed. If we get rid of it early, Marxism wins, and we can't allow that, especially when Marxism and Socialism is the epitome of the deep state. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 14:09, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::I agree NATO should be abolished, but it should NOT be abolished until AFTER Marxism and all its forms, yes, including Jacobin-style politics, is completely and utterly destroyed. If we get rid of it early, Marxism wins, and we can't allow that, especially when Marxism and Socialism is the epitome of the deep state. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 14:09, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
::::::::::What's wrong with replacing NATO with a series of unilateral alliances?--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:08, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
::::::::::What's wrong with replacing NATO with a series of unilateral alliances?--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:08, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
:::::::::::You mean, aside from the fact that a series of unilateral alliances led directly to World War I and the outgrowth of Marxism, culminating in Lenin taking power as well as his exporting Marxism throughout the world as early as when he tried to invade Germany before being [[Polish-Soviet War|stopped at Poland]]? Besides, let me remind you that if it weren't for NATO, the likes of Germany, the UK, France, and most of Western Europe would be speaking Russian and hailing Karl Marx much earlier than now due to Stalin pushing an invasion, or at most infiltrations in the style of that memoir "And Not a Shot was Fired." [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 21:20, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
Putin is not the enemy. The Deep State wants us to believe that he is, because he’s a constant foil for its agenda.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:34, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
Putin is not the enemy. The Deep State wants us to believe that he is, because he’s a constant foil for its agenda.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:34, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
:::But Pokeria has some valid points: NATOs internal structure needs to be re-examined. In my estimation, the leftwing idiots are in control of the institution now, so it may be difficult if not impossible to purge Marxists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:36, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
:::But Pokeria has some valid points: NATOs internal structure needs to be re-examined. In my estimation, the leftwing idiots are in control of the institution now, so it may be difficult if not impossible to purge Marxists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:36, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
:::::We don't need NATO to contain China. The only members outside the US itself that would have any real use for containing China are Canada, France, Germany, and the UK. The rest of them can't really project hard power outside their own backyards, much less into China's (okay, Turkey technically ''can'' expand its influence into Central Asia, which is part of China's backyard, but I don't trust the Erdogan regime at all, so I'm not counting that one).--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:08, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
:::::We don't need NATO to contain China. The only members outside the US itself that would have any real use for containing China are Canada, France, Germany, and the UK. The rest of them can't really project hard power outside their own backyards, much less into China's (okay, Turkey technically ''can'' expand its influence into Central Asia, which is part of China's backyard, but I don't trust the Erdogan regime at all, so I'm not counting that one).--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:08, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
::::::Which is EXACTLY the point behind NATO. We have to defend those who can't defend themselves. And use your head, if they can't defend outside their backyards as you seem to imply, that means it will only be a matter of time before Canada, France, Germany, and the UK, to say little about us, fall to China, not to mention Marxist ideology as a whole. And we cannot let that happen. Heck, during the great depression when we actually DID practice constant isolation, Communism made vast inroads into America and presumably into large parts of Western Europe, and a group like NATO didn't even exist back then. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 21:20, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
::::Oh, I definitely agree China's our primary enemy currently. However, we should keep Russia at arms length at best, especially considering some pretty credible sources regarding Putin NOT actually renouncing Communism, especially with that Sochi World Youth Conference thing (and quite frankly, that law being passed or not, I still don't buy the claim that he's anti-Communist after he backed explicitly Marxist countries/groups. I don't care if he did so as a response to Obama's law being passed. Actually, if anything, Obama would have been a good reason NOT to ally with Marxists since it's essentially saying "I'm allying with Obama while fighting him", since Obama IS a Marxist, just as the groups he financially backed). The last thing we need is a repeat of the aftermath of World War II where, after we defeated the primary enemy, the Axis powers (that is to say, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan), we stupidly let Soviet Russia take control of Eastern Europe and also turn China and North Korea Red. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 18:55, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
::::Oh, I definitely agree China's our primary enemy currently. However, we should keep Russia at arms length at best, especially considering some pretty credible sources regarding Putin NOT actually renouncing Communism, especially with that Sochi World Youth Conference thing (and quite frankly, that law being passed or not, I still don't buy the claim that he's anti-Communist after he backed explicitly Marxist countries/groups. I don't care if he did so as a response to Obama's law being passed. Actually, if anything, Obama would have been a good reason NOT to ally with Marxists since it's essentially saying "I'm allying with Obama while fighting him", since Obama IS a Marxist, just as the groups he financially backed). The last thing we need is a repeat of the aftermath of World War II where, after we defeated the primary enemy, the Axis powers (that is to say, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan), we stupidly let Soviet Russia take control of Eastern Europe and also turn China and North Korea Red. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 18:55, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
::<digression> If I may digress with a personal observation momentarily: Recently it's been reported that Russia is the only country to ever land probes in [[Venus]]. [https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/27334/20200917/venus-russian-planet.htm] Wikipedia does not dispute this. Circa 1962 I distinctly recall MSM news reports that China had landed a probe on Venus with a Chinese flag and broadcast ''The East is Red''. So, is it possible the deep state/military-industrial complex has been faking news since the early 1960s to create public panic and justify funding for NASA & the CIA? Perhaps.<end> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:49, October 25, 2021 (EDT)
::<digression> If I may digress with a personal observation momentarily: Recently it's been reported that Russia is the only country to ever land probes in [[Venus]]. [https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/27334/20200917/venus-russian-planet.htm] Wikipedia does not dispute this. Circa 1962 I distinctly recall MSM news reports that China had landed a probe on Venus with a Chinese flag and broadcast ''The East is Red''. So, is it possible the deep state/military-industrial complex has been faking news since the early 1960s to create public panic and justify funding for NASA & the CIA? Perhaps.<end> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]</sup> 14:49, October 25, 2021 (EDT)