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::::Wikipedia reports, "Venera 1 was launched on 12 February 1961. Telemetry on the probe failed seven days after launch. It is believed to have passed within 100,000 km (62,000 mi) of Venus and remains in heliocentric orbit. ...Several other failed attempts at Venus flyby probes were launched by the Soviet Union in the early 1960s,[2][3] but were not announced as planetary missions at the time, and hence did not officially receive the "Venera" designation." and then there is this: "a lengthy design conference was held, lasting 42 days – from 20th October to 2nd December 1965 – and called the “651 conference”. This settled the details of the satellite, called the Dong Fang Hong 1 (“the east is red”)." [http://ourairports.biz/?p=3637]  All this occurred before Yuri Gargarin's first manned space flight, so it's unsurprising that it's been shunted behind other historical events in the space race. So is it possible, that in 1961 in the early days of technological competition, the American people were lied to, and a failed Venus test was attributed as a Chinese success in American MSM in 1961? This was in the early days of the [[Sino-Soviet split]], and Americans needed to be frightened or reminded of the threat from the Communist bloc.  And use of the name ''East is Red'', four years before the fact, could have been a not-so-subtle message to the CCP from our amateurish CIA that they had a direct pipeline into China's most prized national security planning discussions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 20:16, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

::::Wikipedia reports, "Venera 1 was launched on 12 February 1961. Telemetry on the probe failed seven days after launch. It is believed to have passed within 100,000 km (62,000 mi) of Venus and remains in heliocentric orbit. ...Several other failed attempts at Venus flyby probes were launched by the Soviet Union in the early 1960s,[2][3] but were not announced as planetary missions at the time, and hence did not officially receive the "Venera" designation." and then there is this: "a lengthy design conference was held, lasting 42 days – from 20th October to 2nd December 1965 – and called the “651 conference”. This settled the details of the satellite, called the Dong Fang Hong 1 (“the east is red”)." [http://ourairports.biz/?p=3637]  All this occurred before Yuri Gargarin's first manned space flight, so it's unsurprising that it's been shunted behind other historical events in the space race. So is it possible, that in 1961 in the early days of technological competition, the American people were lied to, and a failed Venus test was attributed as a Chinese success in American MSM in 1961? This was in the early days of the [[Sino-Soviet split]], and Americans needed to be frightened or reminded of the threat from the Communist bloc.  And use of the name ''East is Red'', four years before the fact, could have been a not-so-subtle message to the CCP from our amateurish CIA that they had a direct pipeline into China's most prized national security planning discussions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 20:16, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

:::::I wouldn't be so sure about there being a true split between the Soviets and the Red Chinese. Let's not forget that China [https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/china-contributed-substantially-to-vietnam-war-victory-claims-scholar was willing to collaborate with the Soviets during the Vietnam War], which occurred AFTER the split. Besides, last I checked, Wikipedia references are not even allowed on Conservapedia due to it being too biased to the left. Not that I needed any further proof that the media lies constantly. Let's not forget they repeatedly lied during the McCarthy hearings, constantly tried to paint Joseph McCarthy as a nut and successfully did so, not to mention repeatedly lied about Castro being anti-Communist, lied about and covered up Holodomor, etc., etc. And all before the [[Tet Offensive]] and Walter Cronkite's infamous report on that. Heck, Walter Lippmann practically and quite literally wrote the dang playbook of media constantly lying to their audience, making them even worse than the yellow journalism they replaced. At least yellow journalism allowed for differing point of views rather than a monolithic lie. In fact, considering the media loves communism, it's unlikely they'd try to scaremonger people to fight against the Soviets or other Communists, and if anything are more likely to scaremonger people against "right wingers" like us. Honestly, forget politicians, the way you know the media lies to you is that they move their lips and write things down. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 20:54, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

:::::I wouldn't be so sure about there being a true split between the Soviets and the Red Chinese. Let's not forget that China [https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/china-contributed-substantially-to-vietnam-war-victory-claims-scholar was willing to collaborate with the Soviets during the Vietnam War], which occurred AFTER the split. Besides, last I checked, Wikipedia references are not even allowed on Conservapedia due to it being too biased to the left. Not that I needed any further proof that the media lies constantly. Let's not forget they repeatedly lied during the McCarthy hearings, constantly tried to paint Joseph McCarthy as a nut and successfully did so, not to mention repeatedly lied about Castro being anti-Communist, lied about and covered up Holodomor, etc., etc. And all before the [[Tet Offensive]] and Walter Cronkite's infamous report on that. Heck, Walter Lippmann practically and quite literally wrote the dang playbook of media constantly lying to their audience, making them even worse than the yellow journalism they replaced. At least yellow journalism allowed for differing point of views rather than a monolithic lie. In fact, considering the media loves communism, it's unlikely they'd try to scaremonger people to fight against the Soviets or other Communists, and if anything are more likely to scaremonger people against "right wingers" like us. Honestly, forget politicians, the way you know the media lies to you is that they move their lips and write things down. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 20:54, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

::::::It's all about budgets. [[Patrick Moynihan]] wanted to [https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/01/23/moynihan-bill-would-abolish-cia-shift-functions-to-state/3355e413-7b93-4bbc-bca5-305880f627c2/ abolish the CIA when USSR collapsed.]  All of them, NATO, CIA, NASA, all had to justify their continued existence when the Cold War ended. They latched onto global warming as the future threat.  As China was being cultivated for investment, nobody wanted them to feel threatened by allowing Russia to join NATO (as [[Yeltsin]] wanted, and as other [[Warsaw Pact]] members were invited in). So the myth of the Russian boogeyman had to be perpetuated to placate China, despite Moynihan being sickened and outraged after years of fake reporting from the CIA.

::::::It's all about budgets. [[Patrick Moynihan]] wanted to [https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/01/23/moynihan-bill-would-abolish-cia-shift-functions-to-state/3355e413-7b93-4bbc-bca5-305880f627c2/ abolish the CIA when the USSR collapsed.]  All of them, NATO, CIA, NASA, all had to justify their continued existence when the Cold War ended. They latched onto global warming as the future threat.  As China was being cultivated for investment, nobody wanted them to feel threatened by allowing Russia to join NATO (as [[Yeltsin]] wanted, and as other [[Warsaw Pact]] members were invited in). So the myth of the Russian boogeyman had to be perpetuated to placate China, despite Moynihan being sickened and outraged after years of fake reporting from the CIA.

::::::Every year the CIA made assessments of the Soviet economy (cause the communists did never published official figures). They said year after year for decades the USSR GDP was roughly half US GDP, and spent twice as much on defense, which was called "parity" in arms negotiations.  Today, as it turns out. the Russian Federation annual budget equals about what the U.S> federal government spends in 3 days (figure Russian defense spending is probably less than 25% of its total government budget.  That would equal about 18 hours of our federal government spends.)  Let's look at propaganda: NBC News alone (not counting CNN, CBS, Reuters, AP, etc) spends more on global operations than the Russian Foreign Ministry for its entire operations worldwide.

::::::Every year the CIA made assessments of the Soviet economy (cause the communists never published official figures). They said year after year for decades that the USSR GDP was roughly half of US GDP, and spent twice as much on defense, which was called "parity" in arms negotiations.  Today, as it turns out. the Russian Federation total annual budget equals about what the U.S. federal government spends in 3 days (figure Russian defense spending is probably less than 25% of its total government budget.  That would equal about 18 hours of our federal government spends.)  Let's look at propaganda: NBC News alone (not counting CNN, CBS, Reuters, AP, etc) spends more on global operations than the Russian Foreign Ministry for its entire operations worldwide.

::::::It just gets tiresome hearing discredited stories from discredited sources with obvious, known motivations day after day for decades. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 22:53, October 25, 2021 (EDT)

::::::It just gets tiresome hearing discredited stories from discredited sources with obvious, known motivations day after day for decades. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]^{[[User talk:RobSmith|Free Kyle!]]} 22:53, October 25, 2021 (EDT)