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:::I wouldn't necessarily say it's a leftist construct, per-se. It also has roots in the Book of Revelations, specifically the part where Jesus transfigures people into sheep and goats, the former goes to Heaven, the latter... well, I think you can guess their fate. That's certainly what James Billington claimed in his book ''Fire in the Minds of Men: Origin of the Revolutionary Faith'', which is cited at [https://www.theculturewatch.com/the-french-revolution this site]. It should also be noted that most of the Founding Fathers were AGAINST the French Revolution as well (Washington even specifically compared its ringleaders to the Illuminati and made clear they are not to adopt them at all), so most of them weren't left wing either (probably the only ones who actually WERE left-wing were Jefferson and Paine, since they obviously supported the Jacobins.). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 20:48, February 17, 2022 (EST)
:::I wouldn't necessarily say it's a leftist construct, per-se. It also has roots in the Book of Revelations, specifically the part where Jesus transfigures people into sheep and goats, the former goes to Heaven, the latter... well, I think you can guess their fate. That's certainly what James Billington claimed in his book ''Fire in the Minds of Men: Origin of the Revolutionary Faith'', which is cited at [https://www.theculturewatch.com/the-french-revolution this site]. It should also be noted that most of the Founding Fathers were AGAINST the French Revolution as well (Washington even specifically compared its ringleaders to the Illuminati and made clear they are not to adopt them at all), so most of them weren't left wing either (probably the only ones who actually WERE left-wing were Jefferson and Paine, since they obviously supported the Jacobins.). [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 20:48, February 17, 2022 (EST)
::::The issue is separation of church and state and Article 1 Section 9 Clause 8 which outlawed bluebloods. The simple fact remains, the ''Ancien Regime'' was outlawed and the founders were leftist slaveholders, by any definition under the Left-Right Spectrum Theory. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]]</sup> 21:22, February 17, 2022 (EST)
:::OK, I'm beginning to understand why, one the one hand, some Americans call Democrats fascists, while, on the other, communists see ''all'' Americans as fascists. Also that Americans tend to use terms right and left, as well as socialism, quite differently from most other nations.--[[User:Jackin the box|Jackin the box]] ([[User talk:Jackin the box|talk]]) 17:22, February 14, 2022 (EST)
:::OK, I'm beginning to understand why, one the one hand, some Americans call Democrats fascists, while, on the other, communists see ''all'' Americans as fascists. Also that Americans tend to use terms right and left, as well as socialism, quite differently from most other nations.--[[User:Jackin the box|Jackin the box]] ([[User talk:Jackin the box|talk]]) 17:22, February 14, 2022 (EST)