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::::::::Actually, those "corrupt" aims were precisely what Jesus Christ himself advocated. He didn't advocate for his followers to drink hemlock with him when he ascended into heaven with his father and abandon his flock, he established the church, and all those "corrupt" measures you criticize. And Jesus himself was MORE than willing to threaten sending people to Hell if they didn't follow his or his father's precise commands (in other words, using superstitious threats). And BTW, None other than one of Jesus's own disciples, St. Paul, advocated submitting to authority ultimately. And no, separation of church and state meant LITERALLY keeping the two apart, and in fact, even trying to destroy the church and ensure secularism alone ruled the day. THAT'S what true separation of church and state entailed, per even Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson, both of whom, BTW, were huge admirers of Voltaire and his advocating for that, and that was PRECISELY what the Jacobins created with their de-christianization programs. And just as an FYI, [https://shamelesspopery.com/the-dark-side-of-martin-luther/ Martin Luther, the guy who formed protestantism as a whole, was a pretty corrupt guy]. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:09, February 18, 2022 (EST)
::::::::Actually, those "corrupt" aims were precisely what Jesus Christ himself advocated. He didn't advocate for his followers to drink hemlock with him when he ascended into heaven with his father and abandon his flock, he established the church, and all those "corrupt" measures you criticize. And Jesus himself was MORE than willing to threaten sending people to Hell if they didn't follow his or his father's precise commands (in other words, using superstitious threats). And BTW, None other than one of Jesus's own disciples, St. Paul, advocated submitting to authority ultimately. And no, separation of church and state meant LITERALLY keeping the two apart, and in fact, even trying to destroy the church and ensure secularism alone ruled the day. THAT'S what true separation of church and state entailed, per even Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson, both of whom, BTW, were huge admirers of Voltaire and his advocating for that, and that was PRECISELY what the Jacobins created with their de-christianization programs. And just as an FYI, [https://shamelesspopery.com/the-dark-side-of-martin-luther/ Martin Luther, the guy who formed protestantism as a whole, was a pretty corrupt guy]. [[User:Pokeria1|Pokeria1]] ([[User talk:Pokeria1|talk]]) 07:09, February 18, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::[https://youtu.be/9RLuNo8WfDQ Watch this scene from ''The Lepard'']; the representative of the civil administration shares the same office with the representative of the church. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Let's Go Brandon!]]</sup> 07:16, February 18, 2022 (EST)
:::OK, I'm beginning to understand why, one the one hand, some Americans call Democrats fascists, while, on the other, communists see ''all'' Americans as fascists. Also that Americans tend to use terms right and left, as well as socialism, quite differently from most other nations.--[[User:Jackin the box|Jackin the box]] ([[User talk:Jackin the box|talk]]) 17:22, February 14, 2022 (EST)
:::OK, I'm beginning to understand why, one the one hand, some Americans call Democrats fascists, while, on the other, communists see ''all'' Americans as fascists. Also that Americans tend to use terms right and left, as well as socialism, quite differently from most other nations.--[[User:Jackin the box|Jackin the box]] ([[User talk:Jackin the box|talk]]) 17:22, February 14, 2022 (EST)