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→who were they?: Secular ideology
:The dates have changed considerably over the last couple of centuries, so there are a number of different people involved. "Secular" may not be the ideal word, but assigning these dates indicates that they have ignored if not rejected the Biblical timescale, which makes "secular" pretty close to the mark. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:07, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
:The dates have changed considerably over the last couple of centuries, so there are a number of different people involved. "Secular" may not be the ideal word, but assigning these dates indicates that they have ignored if not rejected the Biblical timescale, which makes "secular" pretty close to the mark. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:07, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
::What about dropping the adjective completely? Surely there are Christian geologists who use the dates, even if they didn't invent them. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 11:09, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
::What about dropping the adjective completely? Surely there are Christian geologists who use the dates, even if they didn't invent them. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 11:09, 31 May 2007 (EDT)
:::Even though there are Christian geologists who use the dates (contradicting the book they profess to believe), the point is that the dates are based on a secular ideology rather than being simple, observable, facts. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:15, 31 May 2007 (EDT)