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→who were they?: Re Noah's flood
::::::The article as it stands appears to divide the world (or at least scientists) into "secular" and "Young Earth creationist", then document the tension between them. "Conservative" is not the same as "Young Earth Creationist", neither is "Christian". The title is "Permian", so that should be the focus of the article. The lead section should describe Permian without reference to any "side" of an argument. I think the first two paragraphs are neutral and accepted by all parties. The rest appears to be rather partisan. I think I'll have a go at cleaning it up. Please check that I don't misrepresent either side, but please try to avoid reinserting any bias or division I manage to reduce. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 10:39, 1 June 2007 (EDT)
::::::The article as it stands appears to divide the world (or at least scientists) into "secular" and "Young Earth creationist", then document the tension between them. "Conservative" is not the same as "Young Earth Creationist", neither is "Christian". The title is "Permian", so that should be the focus of the article. The lead section should describe Permian without reference to any "side" of an argument. I think the first two paragraphs are neutral and accepted by all parties. The rest appears to be rather partisan. I think I'll have a go at cleaning it up. Please check that I don't misrepresent either side, but please try to avoid reinserting any bias or division I manage to reduce. --[[User:Scott|Scott]] 10:39, 1 June 2007 (EDT)
:::::::Hmmm, I don't think that the article was as bad as you imply, but I do like your changes. You've done a good job of treating the subject fairly. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:49, 1 June 2007 (EDT)
:::::::Hmmm, I don't think that the article was as bad as you imply, but I do like your changes. You've done a good job of treating the subject fairly. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:49, 1 June 2007 (EDT)
:::::::By the way, I wouldn't really characterise Noah as being a "victim" of the flood, and it ''is'' often referred to as "Noah's Flood", even though, as you indicate, it wasn't Noah that caused it. [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:53, 1 June 2007 (EDT)