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# The universe began to exist.
 
# The universe began to exist.
 
# Therefore, the universe has a cause.
 
# Therefore, the universe has a cause.
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Note that the key phrase here is "''begins'' to exist". The question is not "whatever exists".
    
The atheistic counter argument has traditionally been to point 2, taking the position that the universe has always existed.  With the advent of the [[Big Bang Theory]] pointing towards a starting point, this line of defense has become rather shaky.  It should also be noted that the Kalam argument removes one of the knee jerk reactions to any discussion on creation involving God which is "Then who created God?"  Since God has no beginning, the question becomes meaningless.
 
The atheistic counter argument has traditionally been to point 2, taking the position that the universe has always existed.  With the advent of the [[Big Bang Theory]] pointing towards a starting point, this line of defense has become rather shaky.  It should also be noted that the Kalam argument removes one of the knee jerk reactions to any discussion on creation involving God which is "Then who created God?"  Since God has no beginning, the question becomes meaningless.

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