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:: By the way, with 3-4 communist spies leaking secrets from the place, your argument about Oppy's "continuous and intense presence" doesn't help his defense that somehow he didn't know!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:00, 5 March 2007 (EST)
:: By the way, with 3-4 communist spies leaking secrets from the place, your argument about Oppy's "continuous and intense presence" doesn't help his defense that somehow he didn't know!--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:00, 5 March 2007 (EST)
::: Really? I think you a) don't appreciate how many concerns there were directly during World War II other than dealing with communist spies. Heck for most of the time during the Manhattan project, we were allies with the Germans. Also, there was little to know restriction on what the scientists were allowed to do- security was mainly in the military hands not Oppenheimer's and the security that did exist often resembled something out of Catch 22. You should read what Feynman wrote about his time in the project. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 21:04, 5 March 2007 (EST)
== Another concern ==
== Another concern ==
: Yes, it was loyal Americans v Commie fellow travelers. Are there any non-commies who think that the case against JRO was insufficient to revoke his security clearance? There are liberals who sympathized with JRO. Not many really defended JRO, but a lot attacked Teller. I think that the article is correct that a lot held a grudge against Teller. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 20:54, 5 March 2007 (EST)
: Yes, it was loyal Americans v Commie fellow travelers. Are there any non-commies who think that the case against JRO was insufficient to revoke his security clearance? There are liberals who sympathized with JRO. Not many really defended JRO, but a lot attacked Teller. I think that the article is correct that a lot held a grudge against Teller. [[User:RSchlafly|RSchlafly]] 20:54, 5 March 2007 (EST)
:: Ok, to the first point, whether there were "non-commies" who thought that Oppenheimer should have kept his security clearance, yes. To the second point, what you said above all the more helps demonstrate the complexity of the situation. Some people attacked Teller for reasons that were only peripherally related to the Oppenheimer matter. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 21:04, 5 March 2007 (EST)
:: Back then, Joshua, conservatives were anti-communists and liberals were not. The simplification is quite accurate. Conservatives backed Teller; liberals backed Oppy. Conservatives revoked Oppy's security clearance; liberals restored it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:00, 5 March 2007 (EST)
:: Back then, Joshua, conservatives were anti-communists and liberals were not. The simplification is quite accurate. Conservatives backed Teller; liberals backed Oppy. Conservatives revoked Oppy's security clearance; liberals restored it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:00, 5 March 2007 (EST)
::: Again, inaccurate for a variety of reasons. Especially if you look at the political views of the scientists who actually spoke up. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 21:04, 5 March 2007 (EST)