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Um...in 1943 Churchill himself visited Lisbon...not a place to be if it is pro-German. That is well over a year before the war finished and before an Allied Victory was assured. Before the Americans came in, Portugal had given the Allies "use" of their Atlantic islands. I am not sure what you are getting at. These pro-English gestures, and others were not "once the war was over".

Um...in 1943 Churchill himself visited Lisbon...not a place to be if it is pro-German. That is well over a year before the war finished and before an Allied Victory was assured. Before the Americans came in, Portugal had given the Allies "use" of their Atlantic islands. I am not sure what you are getting at. These pro-English gestures, and others were not "once the war was over".

:::Portugal was neutral and the seat of much espionage and disinformation activity.  When the Goebbels wished to transmit a line of disinformation, Lisbon newspapers were always targerted knowing the in Allies would pick it up in hopes it had some degree of credibility. Portugal figured prominently into the "Double Cross" cross system.  The famous case how British intelligence handcuffed a briefcase with supposed invasion plans to a corpse and let it wash up on shore in Portugal, knowing the disinformation would get back to Berlin after Portugeese investigators examined the corpse is well known.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:37, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

:::Portugal was neutral and the seat of much espionage and disinformation activity.  When the Goebbels wished to transmit a line of disinformation, Lisbon newspapers were always targerted knowing the Allies would pick it up in hopes it had some degree of credibility. Portugal figured prominently into the "Double Cross" cross system.  The famous case how British intelligence handcuffed a briefcase with supposed invasion plans to a corpse and let it wash up on shore in Portugal, knowing the disinformation would get back to Berlin after Portugeese investigators examined the corpse is well known.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:37, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

::When I was looking for some information about the German opinions about Britain staying in the war, I found an interesting discussion about a book by Lidell Hart.  He interviewed some of the German generals at Nurenburg.  Several of them said that Hitler held the Germans back at Dunkirk, when the generals wanted to move in and finish off the Expeditionary Force.  According to them, Hitler thought that, with France defeated, Britain might be willing to join with Germany against Russia.  While these were comments made well after the fact, BLH points out that when awaiting trial, it would make more sense for the generals to put themselves in the position of saving the British troops, instead of giving that role to Hitler.  I know that before the war broke out, there was a small group of Britons that supported the idea of fascism being preferable to communism.  I wonder if Hitler, who clearly had agents in pre-war Britain, made a complete misread of this position.

::When I was looking for some information about the German opinions about Britain staying in the war, I found an interesting discussion about a book by Lidell Hart.  He interviewed some of the German generals at Nurenburg.  Several of them said that Hitler held the Germans back at Dunkirk, when the generals wanted to move in and finish off the Expeditionary Force.  According to them, Hitler thought that, with France defeated, Britain might be willing to join with Germany against Russia.  While these were comments made well after the fact, BLH points out that when awaiting trial, it would make more sense for the generals to put themselves in the position of saving the British troops, instead of giving that role to Hitler.  I know that before the war broke out, there was a small group of Britons that supported the idea of fascism being preferable to communism.  I wonder if Hitler, who clearly had agents in pre-war Britain, made a complete misread of this position.

::I do not have the BLH book mentioned, and I don't want to add something to an article based on a second hand quote, but I thought it was an interesting discussion. [[User:Boomcoach|Boomcoach]] 07:35, 5 June 2007 (EDT)

::I do not have the BLH book mentioned, and I don't want to add something to an article based on a second hand quote, but I thought it was an interesting discussion. [[User:Boomcoach|Boomcoach]] 07:35, 5 June 2007 (EDT)