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'''Admin action:''' I am going to post below a copy of Jacob Dreizen's Comment Policy. At the Community Portal page, we may have to have a discussion sometime about adopting it or a modified version for Conservapedia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:23, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
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|reason=Per WIGO:CP, trolls again are attempting to portray CP as a forum for anti-Semites
|content=::I have an objection to this:
:#Some new person named "Admiral Farmer" suddenly inserts an inflammatory remark. Possibly even a Jewish sympathizer or lackey inserting dum-dum criticism so if a sharp criticism is levelled, the second criticism gets looped into the first. Meanwhile only an expert can explain ''in propositional speech'' the ''nature'' of the potential abuse in the first criticism. It takes a Rube Goldberg device to
:##untangle the nature of the potential offense, ''especially'' if you really are sympathetic and haven't yet learned to metabolize insults that come in the form of throwing sand in the reader's face,
:##explain the ''generic'' principle of misconduct to which it belongs, so you don't sound as though you're lowering your dignity to the level of a suspected abuser to respond,
:##and explode the nature of the diversionary tactic, should one be suspected to be in employment to score a win over one's opponent merely by virtue of obstructionary tactics.
:#To reappropriate Phyllis Schlafly: Maybe the reason a person "can't" see the relevance is the same reason a thief "can't" find a policeman after their commission of an apparent theft.
:#So the irrelevant remark is explained, but it suddenly heats up the discussion and...induces an inflammatory remark! This is standard internet forum patter designed to subvert free speech.

:So in other words only a team of a licensed criminal investigator and public prosecutor installed as an officer of some U.S. court together can discuss subjects related to ambitious, suspiciously-acting Jews as groups, because "Admiral Farmer" has to be regarded as an equal to whomever's discussing things.
:And anyone who is too obstinant to want to discuss something may do so by slowing the discussion down and causing friction. And in fact, that is exactly what happened here, without
:#investigation,
:#need to prove good will or lack of malicious intent over such a potentially-damaging remark,
:#mention of the fact that the conduct described is exactly of the type that requires such costly cognitive resources exhibited here to be ready-to-hand,
:#notice of the imbalance of dialectical authority between
:##the person inserting what may very well have been a mere play of the imagination and
:##the person who combines the two roles described as well as that of an administrative diplomat to be sure
:###to forestay alarmed (and conveniently-timed with respect to how it might impede whatever examination is arising) administrative inquiries that might suddenly emerge, and in turn
:###enable magnification of injuries that are suspected to be intentional by way of leveraging infractions in the form of ''small'' actions to produce ''large'' investigations
:##and while yet the first person may very well still possess ''more'' privileges of access to the Wiki due to unexplained reduction of the second's following pursuit of similar subject matter.
:"In this way you make" discussions of this nature "null and void for the sake of your" cryptic application of administrative rules.
:The rules are for the sake of the calm discussion not the discussion for the sake of the embalmment of its regulations as a trophy of intellectual prowess.
:Like I just posted, "There is more" going on here "than just little Donald Segretti".
:I would pose the question to RobS: Would Phyllis Schlafly be more pleased by ''my'' answer or ''yours''?
:BTW, so much discussion material was placed between the ''map'' of the "Third Reich" and my ''discussion'' of it, when formerly the two were once close together, that now it ''looks'' irrelevant. And you ignored that fact, and you yourself leveraged the weight your adminship upon an incorrect account of that event that damaged the way the manner in which I placed it there would tend to be received. You're all heart. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 01:35, October 30, 2022 (EDT)
:[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 01:16, October 30, 2022 (EDT)
:::Well, if I had a clue about what you're talking about half the time, it would be a different matter. We have a history of [[trolls]], how could you say, crap-posting on this page all the time, so it would help to make yourself a little clearer and more concise about whatever it is you're talking about. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:52, October 30, 2022 (EDT)
:::Let's take a comment like this, for example: "Rob want Jews to control American politics!", posted on a thread I wasn't even involved in, and not related to any MPR discussion I can discern. I interpret a comment like that, using leftist psychobabble, as a "microaggression." Not a good start or smart move.
:::Anyway, such comments or discussions don't belong on this page. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:57, October 30, 2022 (EDT)

::This page is for discussion only of Main Page content and feature items. For discussion of other issues relating to the Conservapedia community please see: [[Conservapedia:Community Portal]]. Thanx. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:31, October 30, 2022 (EDT)
[[File:Furthest Nazi expansion.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Deja vu.'' Furthest expansion of Nazi occupation [https://www.britannica.com/place/Third-Reich/The-Nazi-empire] vs. NATO designs on Russia. Ukraine became a NATO protectorate in 2014; Finland was added in 2022.]]
:::Lol, then why did you bring up a proposed political alliance that would redefine fascism 26 days ago without regard to how it might be received as matter of practical politics?
:::If you can't understand my clear dilineation of the facts, God help you if you ever try to interpret our nation's founding documents or for that matter your cable bill. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 02:00, October 30, 2022 (EDT)
:::You can't "discern" your own quoted and signed remarks? Lol. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 02:02, October 30, 2022 (EDT)
::::Oh, if you had trouble understanding, why didn't you bring up that question on the appropriate thread, rather than forging my signature to a thread about a Jewish conspiracy to control Hollywood, and then put words in my mouth? And why are we having this discussion here? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:30, October 30, 2022 (EDT)
::::I never said a darned word about Jews on either thread. Frankly, you are trolling me right now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:32, October 30, 2022 (EDT)

::So, you have the floor, my man. Tell me how the modern map of NATO occupation differs from the furthest extent of Nazi occupation in WWII. NATO hasn't made it to the Volga or outside of Moscow, but they are on the outskirts of [[St. Petersburg]] formerly known as Leningrad. NATO leaders have made it clear those are their ultimate objectives. And this isn't an ideological or philosophic discussion. It's political and military. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:24, October 30, 2022 (EDT)}}

==Here it comes....==
[https://rollcall.com/2022/10/28/pelosis-husband-violently-assaulted-after-home-break-in/ Tucker Carlson led a violent mob of Republican white supremacists in a break in of Nancy Pelosi home and beat up her drunk husband]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:10, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
:Now, if you will recall, after a guy took a crap on Pelosi's doorstep in San Fransisco, the [[Capitol Police]] (which ''is not'' an [[Executive Branch]] agency) were given $2 billion in increased funding to expand its reach outside Capitol Hill grounds, and across all 50 states, including surveillance drone technology. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:24, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
::[https://kurtnimmo.substack.com/p/pelosi-attack-pinned-on-maga-without Pelosi Attack Pinned on MAGA Without a Shred of Evidence]. [https://youtu.be/uCeTsaJOXDw Am I right or am right?]
::Here's a theory: Ukrainian Neo-Nazis did it, [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/neo-nazi-ukrainians-forefathers-antifa-instigated-participated-capitol-hill-riot-alongside-antifa/ just like they did the J6 riot]. They don't care, they have no love or affection for Pelosi. They just need war funding to continue. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:33, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::[https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3710199-biden-on-pelosi-attack-what-makes-us-think-stolen-election-talk-wont-corrode-the-political-climate/ Biden has already blamed Republicans for the attack]. It turns out that the suspect [https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/10/28/police-dispatch-audio-paul-pelosi-calling-cops-doesnt-know-male-but-name-david-he-is-friend/ lived in a "hippie collective" in Berkeley] and was "a friend" of Paul Pelosi. He was mentally ill and arrived in his underwear. It shouldn't matter what his politics are. But the liberal media sure didn't waste any time before making this a partisan issue. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 02:11, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::Alternative scenario: Paul Pelosi was a having a gay affair with his nude friend while his wife was away when the domestic violence occurred. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:28, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

=== Reefer madness hits the Pelosi home ===

The guy who attacked Pelosi's husband with a hammer turns out the be [https://ussanews.com/2022/10/28/david-depape-ided-as-paul-pelosi-attacker-castro-nudist-protester-from-berkeley/ a Castro street nude dancer and a hemp jewelry maker from Berkeley]. Another example of reefer madness, I say. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIKb-ytdLSs Here is a video of the dancing]. (Don't worry, no one is actually nude.) If the Dems have lost this constituency, who do they have left?

'''Part II: Nude Awakening.''' The suspect in the Pelosi case is no ordinary nudist, but a former lover of Gypsy Taub, the Bay Area's best-known nude activist. She created a public access talk show called ''My Naked Truth'' where she would detail 9/11 conspiracy theories, apparently without clothes on. (I didn't watch myself.) [https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/david-depape-alleged-pelosi-attacker-17542660.php] (This link includes a picture of her doing, um, what she is famous for.) Pelosi is known to wear clothes, so perhaps we have found a motive. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 23:32, October 28, 2022 (EDT)
[[File:Pelosi's home - glass door breached.jpg|thumbnail|right|700px|According to MSM reports, a man with a hammer breached the home of Nancy/Paul Pelosi which had an outside glass door (or a door made of clear material which could be breached by a hammer).]]
:In an age of political polarization and Democrat corruption, if I were an elected official today in a high profile post, unlike Nancy Pelosi, I would not have glass doors on my home which the intruder easily breached. I would have steel doors with reinforced frames, thorn bushes in front of windows, motion detector outdoor lights, cameras, alarms that go off once the perimeter was breached (doors and windows), weapons, a dog of a sufficiently formidable breed like a Doberman and martial arts training. I would especially do this if the city of San Francisco was run badly and is a Democrat, crime-ridden cesspool which is the case. Paul Pelosi is a soft man who lacks MACHISMO and so he was ill-prepared! Even the Boy Scouts believe in being prepared! Maybe now the Democrats will not be soft on crime now that crime has come home to roost and affected a high-profile, Democrat family. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:08, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
::Was the window broken from the inside or outside before police arrived? I don't follow MSM. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:17, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::I saw a picture that seemed to show the glass door was broken from the outside.

:::Paul Pelosi needs to watch the movie [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt9VkU0bEfY RAMBO: LAST BLOOD] instead of being an effete, liberal, sissy man! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:22, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

::::(ec) Nancy Police is protected by the most, by far, well-funded police dept on the planet, the [[Capitol Police]] - you know, the guys who murdered [[Ashli Babbitt]] and you can't get [[FOIA]] records cause its not an [[Executive Branch]] agency. You know, the guys who covered up the [[Democrat IT scandal]]. The outfit with a budget in excess of $2 billion now since somebody took a crap on Pelosi's doorstep. [https://youtu.be/5lFd0SdunzM] He got arrested a few hours later after the local cops got a call from DC. But since then, the Capitol Police now have surveillance drones deployable in 50 states and 435 Congressional districts with facial recognition technology. And Lord knows what else. And this was ''before'' the [[J6 protests]]. So nothing you are saying, and I'm assuming it comes from MSM, makes any sense.
::::Bottomline: Paul Pelosi was having a gay affair while his wife wasn't home when violence occurred, and - just as in Paul's recent DUI arrest - the local cops, courts, and media helped cover it up. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:29, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::::If my Twitter account gets restored, I'd run an impartial poll and ask:
::::::What seems a more plausible scenario?
::::::a) A nude man breaks into a house in the middle of the night and assaults someone with a hammer.
::::::b) Somebody has a homosexual affair at home while their spouse is away and it erupts in violence.
:::::Which has a greater degree of probability, or seems more plausible or believable? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:34, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::I get sick just thinking about it. And I'm not even quite sure what effete means! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 06:38, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::::At my age I can say, if had sex with Nancy Pelosi, I don't think I'd ever want to have sex again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:05, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
On a more sober note, the Democrats need to stop pushing racial polarization, class warfare and other divisiveness. And they need to stop engaging in censorship and banana republic tactics. This is the stuff that creates political powderkegs.

[[Sun Tzu]] said to attack weakness and not strength. You are only as strong as your weakest link. The Capital Police are not going to prevent a breach of an outside glass/clear door on a personal home. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:39, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:Powderkeg? Yah, if you follow MSM, cause that's what it's programmed to do.

:Paul Pelosi is gay. Period. Nuff said. And being married to her would be enough to drive any man to gaydom. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:41, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
::If you look at the picture above, maybe it was not a glass door. Maybe it was made of some clear material which could be easily breached with a hammer. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 03:49, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:::It's all BS. Go back on Youtube and listen to what Jesse Waters at FOX had to go through to get police reports and even a mugshot of Paul Pelosi after his recent DUI. It shouldn't be too hard with YouTube search. And Paul wasn't even the victim there. Jesse Waters is the man to listen to now in this case as its ''developing.'' Waters has done the groundwork. Waters knows how insulated the Pelosi family is (he's reported on their son's corrupt activities in China, which I haven't followed much. But their son is as well protected as Hunter Biden).
:::Don't take the MSM BS hook-line-and-sink, as is wont to be your habit. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:54, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::''New York Post'': [https://nypost.com/2022/06/04/inside-the-marriage-of-nancy-pelosi-bon-vivant-husband-paul/ Inside the marriage of ‘ruthless’ Pelosi and her ‘bon vivant’ husband]. It is looking like the luck of the Pelosi's is beginning to run out - at least to a small degree. Nancy will soon not be Speaker of the House and her corrupt husband was attacked by a hammer-wielding man. But they still have millions. But in the end, if they don't repent, they will both go to Hell. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:02, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
By the way, I already saw the Jesse Walter's reports about Paul Pelosi's DUI. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:04, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
:Good. So that's your starting point. Monday, the first business day of the week, tune in. Waters is a professional, so he can't throw out conspiracy theories to the public. But he can hint at things that what you are being told by MSM is suspicious, as it takes time for him and his staff to investigate. If Waters calls him a "victim" on Monday ''The Five'' or his show, then me personally, I'd forget the whole story cause nobody else (of high profile media) is following up. If he says the whole story seems 'curious", stay tuned and absolutely reject the MSM narrative. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:11, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
::I think I went overboard commenting on this matter. Scripture says, "Do not rejoice when your enemies fall, and do not let your heart be glad when they stumble, or else the Lord will see it and be displeased, and turn away his anger from them. Do not fret because of evildoers." (Proverbs 24:17–19 NRSV).

::And I have more productive things I could be doing. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:17, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:::The scripture also says, "A lying tongue is but for a moment", so when I do research on Hillary Clinton, Russiagate, or the Ukraine War, I'm doing the Lord's work: "The lip of truth shall be established for ever," and the lying tongue of the MSM is but for a moment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:22, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
:::Call it a personal quirk of mine, but I just get highly, personally offended when the MSM lies to my face, and I know they are lying. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:40, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::''What makes me angry?'' That some gay queer married to a corrupt politician gets attacked by his lover, and the automatic response is, "people will believe MAGA did it." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:52, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:'''Update:''' Gatewaypundit: [https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/interesting-san-francisco-police-dispatcher-describes-david-friend-pelosi-house-call-audio/ This Is Interesting: San Francisco Police Dispatcher Describes “David” as “a Friend” in Pelosi House Call (AUDIO)]
:The story is growing legs. The cover story is blown.
:Lessons learned: Do not take MSM bait. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:24, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:'''Comment:''' I lived through the [[Watergate]] era. I know the whole story. It was just like this. Nixon was attempting to shape media narratives about the [[Pentagon Papers]], the Watergate breakin, and a bunch of other stuff that follwed. That's what's on the Watergate tapes. Nancy Pelosi is doing right now what Nixon did when he was informed about a breakin, she's telling aides, "Can't we get the cops to lie?" [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:31, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:'''Update:''' [https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/10/29/did-a-911-call-refer-to-the-pelosi-home-intruder-as-a-friend-n2615203 The Pelosi Home Invasion Just Got Weirder].
:'''Comment:''' I scooped them all by 12 hours with my MPR post. Again, it was not even a 'home invasion'. Do not fall for MSM BS. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:46, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

::Oh no, RobS is mad at the "gay queers".

::The Gateway Pundit is himself a participant in a same-sex marriage. What kind of conservatism are you practicing?

::I read the Watergate hearing transcripts presided over by Senator [[Sam Ervin]]. What kind of example did ''he'' set in his Senatorial career? I read how one of the Watergate burglars stuck some tape on the door from the Watergate offices to the garage parking lot, then a security guard pulled it off, and the burglar stuck it back on. That doesn't seem too bright to me.

::Then there was this scene in ''All the President's Men'' where Deep Throat said to Robert Redford that "There was more" criminality involved "than little Donald Segretti". I don't think Deep Throat ever explained that remark.

::And Carl Bernstein cracked the case through his "sources" in the phone company? That's kind of a big source! "I have inside information on" anyone who has a phone?! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 16:06, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:::The point is, MSM will lie and cover up for a Dem, they manufacture BS against a Repub. It's an old game. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:23, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:'''Update:''' [https://therightscoop.com/debunked-this-absolutely-devastates-narrative-on-pelosi-attacker-depape-the-media-are-clinging-to/ DEBUNKED: This absolutely devastates narrative on Pelosi attacker DePape the media are CLINGING to] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:27, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

::Another theory of the case: [[Paul Pelosi]] picked up a homeless gay drug addicted prostitute and took him to their house while Nancy wasn't home. In the course of the evening, a domestic battery occurred. Whether it was before or after the homeless male prostitute discovered or realized the political connections of Mr. Pelosi is unknown. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:36, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:'''Update:''' Gypsy Taub was born in Russia in 1969 and has been living in the United States since 1988. [https://gypsytaubjailed.blogspot.com/2020/] She founded the Jerry Garcia street clinic for the homeless in 1996. [http://www.jerrygarciafamilyclinic.org/about.html] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:52, October 30, 2022 (EDT)
::'''Update:''' [https://www.youtube.com/c/ColumboOfficial/videos Columbo] moment: The outside glass door in the back of the house. The glass appears to have been broken from the inside! See: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT8nhrtdaV0 Paul Pelosi attack doesn't add up: David Webb] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:53, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
:::When you dispose of MSM completely, you can approach a story like this with an unbiased view. None of my well-vetted sources disappointed me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:24, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
:::There's a whole series of questions to ask:
:::1. Why no description of the clothing Pelosi was wearing.
:::2. What was the length of time from the 9/11 call until police entered the home.
:::3. Who allowed the police into the home?
:::4. What pocket did the alleged nude attacker carry his bag of zip ties in?
:::I've read zero MSM accounts or videos, so I'm dependent on you guys to provide the answers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:59, October 31, 2022 (EDT)

*[https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/exclusive-two-far-right-websites-attributed-david-depape-fabricated-created-friday-deleted-today/ Depape's "rightwing posts" turn out to be fake]. That a homeless drug addict could write more coherently than Biden or Fetterman was always a bit suspicious. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:48, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
::So this begs the question: ''What person or persons are responsible for the toxic and divisive rhetoric?'' They must be held accountable. Lying lip are but for a moment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 11:21, October 31, 2022 (EDT)

:What the Pelosi case reveals moreso than corruption at the top of the political system, or in FBI law enforcement, or media (all of which was known before), but the level that Democrat partisanship has trickled down, permeated and infiltrated into local police departments, cops who are willing lie, distort facts, and deceive the public based on political motives. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:31, October 31, 2022 (EDT)

:'''Update:''' Sources familiar with the matter allege [https://vancouvertimes.org/paul-pelosi-charged-with-possession-of-child-porn/ Paul Pelosi arrested on child porn charges]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:19, October 31, 2022 (EDT)

=== Why does Biden hate jokes so much? ===
[[File:Mental health usa vs. other countries.jpg|300px|thumbnail|300px|The USA vs. other high income countries and people diagnosed with mental illness. (Click on the graph to enlarge) ]]
Check it out: "[https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3714809-biden-rips-gop-over-paul-pelosi-jokes/ Biden rips GOP over Paul Pelosi jokes]." There are a whole series of articles in today's media that go down this anti-joke road, including one in the ''New York Times''. Hey, Samantha Bee never told a joke, at least not one that was remotely funny. ''The Producers'' had Nazi jokes! And they were funny. When a guy with a powerful position turns off security at his house to meet with a gay homeless drug addict who then takes his hammer and hits him with it, that's objectively funny. When the police arrived, Paul and Depape were in a life-or-death struggle for control of the hammer. So who opened the door? Today's "journalists" don't ask questions like this. Instead, they ask, "Why are Republicans laughing?" One takeaway is that Paul is clearly not a very smart person. Yet the Pelosis' expect us to believe that Paul's success in picking stocks was due to talent. Jokes are no laughing matter these days. I was [[User:PeterKa/Filipacchi | banned from Wikipedia over a joke]]. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 05:49, November 2, 2022 (EDT)
:Paul Pelosi does not have a powerful position. His wife does. And soon his wife will not have that position.

:More importantly, given the amount of mass gun shootings, general crime and homeless people in the USA, the USA needs to do a better job of integrating people into society. People who are lonely, isolated or who have poor social skills are more likely to have mental illness. I provided a graph to the right which compares the USA to other wealthy nations (Click on the graph). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:21, November 2, 2022 (EDT)

::I am going to surmise a point: there is no evidence that the boyfriend carried the hammer into the home. In fact, the evidence points to the hammer being the Pelosi's property. No reporting on this key bit of evidence speaks for itself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:45, November 2, 2022 (EDT)

=== Alt-right Twitter leader imperils alleged legal standing with racist remarks ===
It seems a racist alt-right Twitter leader, @CityBureaucrat, of whom I've spoken before, has imperiled his alleged legal standing as he characterized a failure to stop and render aid by Chicago police of two black groups as justified as a case of "mutual combat". @CityBureaucrat claims to be an officer of the Chicago courts.

It's further been discovered the self-deprecation he applies to his own race is actually a form of veiled ridicule! This is a sensitive subject as he acts among white nationalists whom are not necessarily themselves racists. I will try to summon the prior link. Stay tuned. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 18:25, November 5, 2022 (EDT)

:What on earth are talking about? "Alt-right" is an FBI/DNC [[conspiracy theory]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:37, November 5, 2022 (EDT)

::It may remain one if the participants scatter! Stay tuned. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 18:41, November 5, 2022 (EDT)

::[https://mobile.twitter.com/CityBureaucrat/status/1588691578209828865 link to Tweet]

:::Let me get this straight: After the Alt-right rampaged the U.S. Capitol building, they broke into [[Paul Pelosi]]'s house in their underwear and assaulted him with a hammer. Is that what you're saying? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:02, November 5, 2022 (EDT)
::If you've seen the link, tell me what it says. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 19:17, November 5, 2022 (EDT)
::Any news? Time may be of the essence. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 19:39, November 5, 2022 (EDT)

:::"Second City" refers to Chicago. "Second City Bureaucrat" refers to the [[corrupt]] [[Democrat]] machine that runs Chicago. So it looks like typical Democrat BS 3 days before a federal election, spread nationally, to sidetrack and confuse voters with more Democrat BS and noise. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:45, November 5, 2022 (EDT)
::You're quite mistaken. Second City refers to Chicago generally, and the masthead on his Twitter page has a picture of a Chicago Trump building and his name is indexed here at Conservapedia as a source in 2019.
::You're right it's Democrat BS, but it's from the wrong team. He's posted continuously since Hillary's election under different aliases as a Trump supporter. He thinks he can be racist to prove his credentials, but another source says he's changed his cover story. This is a big fish. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 20:07, November 5, 2022 (EDT)
:::Oh really? Now it would help to find some context to whatever it is you're talking about.
:::Oh, and cause some Nazi Democrat Ukrobot says he's Republican, means nothing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:29, November 5, 2022 (EDT)
::You keep changing the subject. Did you read the link or not? What did it say? You can search Conservapedia everything for @CityBureaucrat. I don't have access to user contributions or recent changes. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 20:37, November 5, 2022 (EDT)

::I'm not feeling the love. I nabbed an alleged officer of the court in the act of malfeasance hiding under Trump's good name who's an out and out racist, and instead of celebrating, you won't verify my story. What's going on? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 21:05, November 5, 2022 (EDT)

::I'll be back tomorrow; you've been stalling for two hours, and you won't restore access either. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 21:31, November 5, 2022 (EDT)

::What are "neo-puritan" trolls as listed on the [[Twitter]] Conservapedia entry? Anglicans? I've met few strict Christians on Twitter, and they're not trolls. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 06:24, November 6, 2022 (EST)

:::I don't have a clue what you're talking about. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:54, November 6, 2022 (EST)

::Okay, I'm going to drop this, as I think there's probably better ways than putting something here. I meant and was carrying this out as simple task, but sometimes I convey messages I never intended to carry, unload burdens onto others I never knew were heavy. If that happened here, I'm sorry, but knowing myself, I'm sure it won't be the last time. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 14:47, November 6, 2022 (EST)

==The war is heating up==
War news competes with economy, crime, immigration and other top issues of concern to voters. We need less cheerleading and a balance of important news and issues of concern to voters on MPR. Thanks [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:40, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

Remember the adage: 'Less is more.' You can pack a more powerful punch with fewer words impressed on people's minds than a windy paragraph. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:59, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:I think this applies to me and is a mischaracterization. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 16:08, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

::I think you're wrong. It applies the MPR postings. But the same rule generally applies also in article mainspace and talk page discussions.

::You haven't even participated in any NATO war discussions, AFAIK. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:27, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

::You haven't participated in any economic, crime, or immigration discussions, either. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:29, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:Update: [https://youtu.be/oPNF6Vmv-qs Russia Will Slaughter The 101st Airborne Division Screaming Eagles In Ukraine]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:32, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:Update: It's snowing in Moscow; snow forecast for Kyiv in 3 days. 80% of Kyiv without water. 2,500 Ukie/NATO troops killed last week. Time for NATO to throw in the towel? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:08, November 1, 2022 (EDT)

=== The grain deal with the Ukranians/Russians/others broke down ===

I just heard that the grain deal with the Ukranians/Russians/others broke down. As result, in developing countries there is expected to be reports of food shortages and even famine in the weeks and months to come.

That could result in their being another [[European migrant crisis]] which would further destabilize Europe. It could flood Europe with African and Middle Eastern migrants. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:39, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:No it didn't. It was a political, non-military reprisal act for NATO's military aggression and attack on the Russian Fleet in Sevasatopol. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:55, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:[[GRU]]: [https://southfront.org/major-attack-of-ukrainian-us-drones-on-russian-black-sea-fleet-in-sevastopol-crimea/ UPDATED: MAJOR ATTACK OF UKRAINIAN & US DRONES ON RUSSIAN BLACK SEA FLEET IN SEVASTOPOL, CRIMEA]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:03, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

::Here's the Live News feed [https://liveuamap.com/ from CIA headquarters in Kyiv], the official approved press narratives, i.e the bs you need to be aware and wary of as it trickles down into the MSM & public consciousness. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:09, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:::Fun fact: if Sevastopol ceases to be a safe port, the entire SMO becomes strategically redundant. This (fun) fact will not be lost on the various Russian elites & old school siloviki. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:30, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

::::Bingo. Do want the box or the curtain? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:49, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:::::I'll take Andy quietly memory holing your fan fiction as a more than adequate prize. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:53, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

::::::So NATOs reaching for the crown jewels, they're saying now or never. Desperation? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:56, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

:::::::Just turning the screw. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:58, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

::::::::You turn it too far, and the head breaks off. And you did that yourself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:37, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::::::Men will say, "If the American Empire is to last another 80 years, this was their finest hour." Of course, you know how that turned out. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:41, October 29, 2022 (EDT)
::::::::Hitler's 1000 Year Reich didn't last 13 years. Churchill's 1000 Year Empire didn't last 2 years when he was unceremoniously booted out of office, after defeating the evil Nazi regime, by the sovereign democratic will of the people. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:13, October 30, 2022 (EDT)

===Understanding the organization of Ukrainian forces===
[[File:Location of Ukronazi forces.PNG|right|400px|thumb|Location of Ukrainian Nazi forces circled in red.]]
For this one, you're going to have to think outside the box. The Ukrainian armed forces are not organized along the US or NATO lines. Although all military and paramilitary forces receive weapons, training, and funding from NATO, not all forces are under the command and control of the supposed "government of Ukraine". While some of the units receive pay from the Zelensky regime, and are cooperating with the NATO command structure, they remain 'independent'. 'Independence' is what they are fighting for, and they remain 'independent' of the Kyiv regime, the EU, and NATO. This is explained in the [[Pravy Sektor]] article. They are simply allies of the Kyiv regime, NATO, the EU, and US for the moment.

Unlike Pravy Sektor, the Azov Battalion and others ''are'' government units under the Ministry of Interior, and not the Ministry of Defense armed services. They are somewhat like 'national guard' units under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (don't get confused; the Ukraine regime also has its own separate 'National Guard' under the Interior Ministry, but Azov and others are also in the Interior Ministry under the [[SBU]]. To make a parallel, it would be like the FBI & CIA inside the [[DHS]] rather [[DOJ]] or a separate agency, and then having its own large black helicopter formations with tanks and artillery).

To the right, circled in red are the Nazi units fighting in, and with, the Kyiv regime. Notice, most are behind the front lines. There, they function like Red Army Commissars in the old Soviet Union. As well as SS Einsatzgruppen in the Third Reich. They shoot deserters and retreaters like Red Army Commissars. In 'liberated' territories, they murder civilian 'collaborators'. The Nazi units stationed near the front in areas undergoing thick combat right now are performing the same function - shooting people who refuse to fight and terrorizing civilian 'partisans'.

Neither the Russian Federation nor NATO forces are organized like this. The Ukrainian model is a holdover from WWII, using both Nazi & Soviet methods and techniques. And you, the American taxpayer, through the United States Congress, are paying these war criminals with money laundered through the Zelensky regime, and direct weapons support and training through NATO.

Now, ''Does the end justify the means?'' NATO, the CIA, Pentagon, and anyone else involved in these war crimes fully understand the Nazi forces of the Pravy Sektor are 'independent', and fighting for their 'independence' from Russia, from the EU, from the US or any other external power. Very few of our idiot Congresspeople, who have made American taxpayers complicit in this collaboration with Nazis, understand these Nazis have no loyalty to Zelensky, the Kyiv government, or 'Western values.' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:01, November 2, 2022 (EDT)

During the [[Syrian war]] and [[ISIS]] [[propaganda]] war, you will recall CIA/MSM manufactured the oxymoronic term, "moderate rebel"; the blue and yellow flag is the flag of the "moderate rebels" against Russian hegemony which is controlled by Washington, NATO, and other Western institutions (World Bank, IMF, WEC, etc) and wants integration with the European Union. The black and red flag of the Pravy Sektor (Right Sector) wants 'Independence' from all outside control (EU, NATO, Washington, 'international bankers', etc.) These armed forces, while receiving NATO & US weapons, training, intelligence sharing, etc., do not take orders from the [[Zelensky regime]]. They are merely 'allies' in a temporary unified command. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:10, November 3, 2022 (EDT)

To summarize: some Nazi units are in the Ukrainian government under control of the Ministry of Interior. These are more specialized units. A far larger number of troops do not recognize the legitimacy of the 'Jew led" Zelensky regime. This is the Pravy Sektor or Right Sector, which in addition to receiving NATO weapons & training, is paid by the money appropriated by the US Congress and laundered through the Zelensky regime. But they are more than just an army for hire. The also are a political party in the Ukrainian parliament (one of the parties that Zelensky did not ban) and constitute Zelensky's main opposition (since Zelensky banned all the socialist and communist parties, the so-called "pro-Russian" parties).

The Pravy Sektor is hailed in the West as the most heroic fighters. Because regular AFU are all 60 year old conscripts (the young are all dead), and Pravy Sektor is the most fanatical. The point is, Pravy Sektor is not even in the Armed Force of Ukraine (don't worry about them being a threat to Zelensky when the fighting is over, as the Zelensky regime does right now. Pravy Sektor and the Zelensky regime won't last that long. The only question is, ''How long can NATO last as a fighting force in Ukraine without using nukes.'')

===How Ukraine aid money laundering works===
The recent announcement of a $400 million aid package for Ukraine shows how the [[Ukraine aid]] package works. The U.S. buys up $400 million of old [[Soviet]] junk from former [[Warsaw Pact]] members, like T-55s, gives them to Ukraine, then has the old Warsaw Pact member sign a contract to replace the equipment with modern American weapons. Raytheon gets a $400 million [[kickback]] out the process.

T-55s for example, were built in 1955. So they need expensive modifications and refitting before they can be sent into combat. So the cost of refurbishing is part of the kickback. Of course, the months and years it takes to refurbish many of these weapons take longer than the probable life-expectancy the [[Zelensky regime]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:43, November 6, 2022 (EST)

===Joe Biden and Ukraine peace talks===
If you read the ''WaPo'' article, you would know that Biden told Zelensky to pretend to be open for peace talks, as he told the Afghan president to pretend to be in charge and fight. A headline on the subject was posted two days ago. The Essay/headline is uninformed and misleading not 24 hours before election day. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:24, November 7, 2022 (EST)

:You can't introduce a proper noun like 'Pavlovka' that takes hours and hours of research to understand, worse yet, taking the [[MSM]] meaning of the term, 24 hours before people have to make a major decision. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:46, November 7, 2022 (EST)

:I can't say I've ever seen a headline begin with "Because". [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template%3AMainpageright&diff=1899576&oldid=1899575] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:40, November 7, 2022 (EST)

:How's this:
::"Because Biden's an idiot because he had two brain surgeries and because he stole the election and because of high inflation and because crime and because a useless war and because he and his family are corrupt, the Midterms are in doubt."
:We need a certain level of professionalism to represent CP on MPR. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:46, November 7, 2022 (EST)
::I just saw the byline to the Washington Post article. It does imply what you said. I will delete the post. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:36, November 8, 2022 (EST)
:::Now you need to develop this narrative: ''10 reasons the Republicans should end funding the war in Ukraine: Reason No.11: US profiting off dead Ukrainians. [15] Arms producers, LNG exporters big winners. [16].''
:::Don't be a whimp. Don't back off and be shy now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:05, November 8, 2022 (EST)

:::According to the Yahoo link, the US has already pocketed $200 billion in arms and LNG gas in 8 months. Not bad for a $56 billion investment.

:::And don't think those stupid Third Worlders are too stupid to see what's going on; it's the Americans and Europeans who are too stupid. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:15, November 8, 2022 (EST)

===Cutting Ukraine aid===
The UK being forced to cut [[Ukraine aid]] puts '''''more''''' pressure on the US to pick up the slack. This news item should not be headlined unless the editor is prepared to follow through with all the details involved over an extended period of time. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:44, November 10, 2022 (EST)

===Masha the translator===
*[https://youtu.be/GPx7OBB37Qo US TO DELIVER LONG RANGE HIMARS? LPR Weapons Expert Fears More Civilian Deaths.]
::As the history of this the war is being written, I find the story of Masha the translator interesting. From what I gather, she had been arrested in an anti-war protest early on. And as part of her sentence, as you have similarities in the US criminal justice system, she was assigned as translator for John Mark Dougan, and now iEarlGrey, to go to [[Donbas]], see for herself what Russia is fighting, and report for Western audiences. In this video, you can see she has grown into an excellent translator. Generally, translators undergo specialized training, but in her case I think she was just bilingual, and has mastered translation on her own from experience. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:30, November 11, 2022 (EST)

=== My war in Ukraine Summa Politicalogicas and their inspiration ===

My war in Ukraine [[Summa Theologica|Summa Politicalogicas]] can be found at:

*[[Essay: 10 reasons the Republicans should end funding the war in Ukraine|10 reasons the Republicans should end funding the war in Ukraine]]

*[[Essay: Why the United States should not spend another dollar on the Russia-Ukraine War|Why the United States should not spend another dollar on the Russia-Ukraine War]]

The works were inspired by the protestations of my stances on Ukraine by a pro-Ukraine, British [[agnosticism|agnostic]].

On behalf of all principled, [[small government]], [[right-wing]] [[conservatives]] with a fairly good grasp on geopolitics, I hereby declare total victory! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:14, November 13, 2022 (EST)

:You need to revise the "Pivot to Asia" part, cause the Ukraine war is being frozen while the US "pivots" to the [[Taiwan]] war, which will probably go hot by spring. The US can't fight a two-front war. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:58, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::Maybe. Time will tell. Joe Biden isn't the most rational being on the planet and the military-industrial complex has a lot of influence in American politics. In addition, Putin has a lot riding on the war in Urkaine. In addition, China has a lot of economic troubles and I doubt it will launch a war over Taiwan soon. And at the end of the day, wars are unpredictable - including the Russia-Ukraine War. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:06, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:::Ok. I'll put you down in the pro-warmonger camp for war against China, and all the people you mislead, given China is so weak and vulnerable at this point and ripe for US aggression. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:11, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::::Ok. Thanks for letting me know. I hope I can bear to go on another day. In the meantime, you might want to look at the recent economic stats related to China. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:16, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:::::I have. And so has [[Jake Sullivan]]. Strike while the iron is hot. Hell, the warmongers even got the American people to back them up in the recent Midterms. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:21, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:::::The warmongers got everything they need for war with China. They got conservatives, Congress, and the media on their side. They might as well finish the objectives they started under W Bush & Obama. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:24, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:::::Right now, you're 0-3 on taking [[MSM]] bait, on covid, the NATO war, and the Red wave. I wouldn't be so quick to rush off into a fourth disaster without reflection - especially since you've been warned. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:29, November 13, 2022 (EST)
Jake Sullivan isn't a geopolitical genius and he does not have a leadership position in China. And Andy Schlafly likes my recent essays on the Russia-Ukraine War. Andy Schlafly, the founder of Conservapedia, is quite conservative. Don't you agree? Lastly, at Conservapedia, I have a pretty good track record in terms of overall accuracy when it comes to coronavirus pandemic and my accuracy on this issue is higher than yours. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:37, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:I don't understand why you articulate Jake Sullivan's position on the "pivot to Asia", and I doubt Andy supports it. Have you asked him? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:43, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:Incidentally, Jake Sullivan is the guy with his finger on the nuclear bomb. Nobody trusts Biden cause he's demented. So the power has been delegated. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:44, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::If memory serves, and I think it does, Andy told me off wiki that he liked my first Russia-Ukraine essay. Today, Andy suggested an improved title for the second Russia-Ukraine essay which I adopted. I assume since Andy liked my first Russia-Ukraine War essay, he likes my second Russia-Ukraine War essay, which builds on the first Russia-Ukraine War essay. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:50, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:::Ask him specifically about the pivot to Asia. You can use any of these Yahoo results as a starting point. [https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrC3PHGZnFjwl0ApA8PxQt.;_ylc=X1MDMjExNDcwMDU1OQRfcgMyBGZyA3locy1mYy0zNTYzBGZyMgNzYi10b3AEZ3ByaWQDTHIxYTd1UHNUNUNPRl8xVlI4NDUxQQRuX3JzbHQDMARuX3N1Z2cDMQRvcmlnaW4Dc2VhcmNoLnlhaG9vLmNvbQRwb3MDMARwcXN0cgMEcHFzdHJsAzAEcXN0cmwDMjcEcXVlcnkDSmFrZSUyMFN1bGxpdmFuJTJCcGl2b3QlMjB0byUyMEFzaWEEdF9zdG1wAzE2NjgzNzYzODE-?p=Jake+Sullivan%2Bpivot+to+Asia&fr2=sb-top&hspart=fc&hsimp=yhs-3563&param1=7&param2=eJw1i8sKgzAQRX9llgoSMzGPgtt%2BQbfiItU0BqMRH1j69R2hZRbn3HsZH%2Fqmbh935FwYxZuinSkrpS%2B9JkJHkMSwkKAWzAiGWjFUFbXeJaqPjfSwZFP6hBhtqRiH7Axzn84N5h2QM14DFVrW8NYyB7ss0Z3uOYa9VJVhlYZsHPYpFhDD6MC7bkw5dMOaJlciN4xfB5t92TX8X1zvfxtKvDEpvgLDPaE%3D&type=fc_A4AE35CAED5_s69_g_e_d_n5560_c4] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:55, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::::To clarify, John Mearsheimer considers China to be a significant competitor to the United States in terms of balance of power geopolitics.[https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-rise-and-conflict-with-us/a-55026173] This is why Mearsheimer believes the USA should pivot to Asia in terms of its concerns. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:57, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:::::You need different language than "pivot to Asia". Mearsheimer does not use that language. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:59, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:::::There is all sorts of phraseology you can use, "focus on the Pacific rim", etc. "Pivot to Asia" is support for the Biden, Hillary, Jake Sullivan neocon foreign policy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:02, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::::::Support for ANY confrontation with China is support for the Biden, Hillary, Jake Sullivan neocon foreign policy. Same goes for support for ANY confrontation with Iran, and of course Russia.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:12, November 13, 2022 (EST)

'''Professor John Mearsheimer on the pivot to Asia:'''

John Mearsheimer: "The second factor is that China's neighbors and the US are pushing back. The US began to contain China regionally with the 2011 pivot to Asia. This created a spiral mechanism that is now in play: the Americans and their Asian allies are pushing back against China, and China is responding."[https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-rise-and-conflict-with-us/a-55026173]

German journalist: "You mentioned the pivot to Asia. How serious was this engagement by the US? Many Southeast Asian countries feel they have been left to fend for themselves?"[https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-rise-and-conflict-with-us/a-55026173]

John Mearsheimer: "I think there's no question that, when former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced the pivot to Asia in 2011, the US was just beginning to think about containing China. During the Barack Obama presidency, not much was done."[https://www.dw.com/en/chinas-rise-and-conflict-with-us/a-55026173]

Many times I have heard Mearsheimer at YouTube use the phrase "pivot to Asia".

If the term "pivot to Asia" is good enough for Professor John Mearsheimer, an eminent scholar in his field, it is good enough for me! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:14, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:In all instances cited above, Mearsheimer is responding to questions about the [[Hillary Clinton]] [[State Department]] officially declared policy, with Jake Sullivan as her chief national security advisor. "Pivot to Asia" ''is not'' a phrase coined by Mearsheimer. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:34, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::If there’s one flaw to Mearsheimer’s way of thinking, it’s that he seems to assume that all other superpowers are to be treated as threats no matter what. He would be saying the exact same thing about China today even if it weren’t communist.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:18, November 13, 2022 (EST)

:Sheesh. All quotes are pre-2016, when it had a different meaning. [https://thediplomat.com/2017/01/the-pivot-to-asia-was-obamas-biggest-mistake/ The Pivot to Asia Was Obama’s Biggest Mistake]. Today we rightly understand "Pivot to Asia" to mean transfer the [[MIC]] [[money laundering]] process from Afghanistan, from Ukraine, to Taiwan. You can't just cut and paste a worn out phrase from 8 years ago and try to appear informed or persuasive. Just change the damn wording. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:17, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::On a related note, is it reasonable to believe China’s implication that the Taiwanese government was involved in the COVID conspiracy?--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 17:20, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:::No. This is a footnote to history. It was Taiwan that reported the Wuhan outbreak to the [[WHO]], not Beijing - although all [[MSM]] sources say "China" did, which technically is correct. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:23, November 13, 2022 (EST)

:Mearsheimer: "I am a liberal". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:19, November 13, 2022 (EST)

:No matter how you cut it, an argument for "pivot to Asia" is an argument for [[interventionism]] away from the the wars in the [[Middle East]] and [[Eastern Europe]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:41, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::Mearsheimer is not an interventionalist, but he is center-left in his overall politics despite [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Mearsheimer belonging to the realist school of geopolitics] ("The theories of realism are contrasted by the cooperative ideals of liberalism in international relations"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_(international_relations)]). He was against NATO expansion post the fall of the Soviet Union and he is against Ukraine becoming a member of NATO. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:18, November 13, 2022 (EST)

:::You are pitching interventionism with this phrase:

::::<big>'''The USA needs to defund the war in Ukraine ASAP and pivot to Asia!'''</big>

:::and support for the Hillary Clinton State Department. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:19, November 13, 2022 (EST)
Again, the prominent geopolitics scholar John Mearsheimer is most definitely not an interventionist and he uses the phrase "pivot to Asia" (which I proved) and I recall him using the phrase "pivot to Asia" in various YouTube videos. I won this debate. Now it is time for you to graciously admit defeat. Conservative (talk) 19:28, November 13, 2022 (EST)

:You're 0-4 already. Cutting and pasting out old Hillary Clinton rhetoric exposes you as a fraudulent researcher. Go pivot to Asia.

:Just stay away from things that you haven't clue about. You're misleading conservative readers, again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:41, November 13, 2022 (EST)

:Anyone who wants to "pivot to Asia" now has their head up their culu. "Pivot to Asia" was a pitch for the [[Trans Pacific Partnership]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:45, November 13, 2022 (EST)

:More and more articles are appearing about the U.S. trying to push Ukraine into [https://youtu.be/gF3ZXQalr4E "realistic" peace talk negotiations Russia.] THAT, is your "pivot to Asia". However, there still is no guarantee that $100 billion a year funding for either Ukraine, or Taiwan, or both, will terminate. You need to rip that nonsense out of you Essay. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:27, November 13, 2022 (EST)

===Propaganda update===
*[https://www.bitchute.com/video/OyKfmiZvoQok/ Dagestani forces capture American mercenary]
:Looks like a scruffy ol' Southern Democrat Johnny Reb type. When [[Dagestan]]i forces hit him with a rubber shoe, he says "I don't understand". Of course he doesn't understand - he gets all his information from Western [[MSM]]. Brittany Griner - who has no respect for foreign laws of a foreign culture that paid her $1 million a year - will be out of the [[gulag]] long before this "defender of democracy" ever sees the light of day. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:59, November 14, 2022 (EST)
*[https://youtu.be/XeVNyg5rU78 Interview With iEarlGrey & @John Mark Dougan] from Donbas for Russian media. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:19, November 15, 2022 (EST)
*[https://youtu.be/v0Ec7LHp5Zg Eva K Bartlett and iEarlGrey report from Donetsk]. This small group of English-speaking journalists reporting from Rusia and Donbas, including Patrick Lancaster, Graham Phillips and few others, who have had the courage to stand against Nazism, transgenderism, Satanism and everything evil in our time while the rest of the West condones and supports it, are becoming legendary. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 03:44, November 15, 2022 (EST)
*[https://youtu.be/5kU_saE2R8I 'Hang the Muscovites!''Hang the commies]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:04, November 17, 2022 (EST)
*[https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/ukraine/zelensky-the-liar-he-will-be-remembered-by-history-like-hitler/ Zelensky the Liar – He Will Be Remembered by History like Hitler], by Martin Armstrong, November 16, 2022. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:00, November 18, 2022 (EST)
*[https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-begins-evacuation-kherson-mykolaiv-182722429.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall "Ukrainian officials confidently insist Russia has shot its wad and gullible Western intelligence analysts, pundits, politicians and journalists regurgitate this nonsense."] - intelligence analysts, pundits, politicians and journalists deserve ''even more'' derision for the Ukraine war than they do for [[Russiagate]]. We knew they were liars from the gitgo, but 100,000 people weren't killed in Russiagate (unless you want to factor [[covid]] in the equation somehow.)
*Then you have nonsense like this in Ukraine media: "[https://www.ukrinform.ua/rubric-regions/3617999-vitrati-sodo-evakuacii-z-deokupovanih-teritorij-pivdna-derzava-bere-na-sebe-veresuk.html The state assumes the costs of evacuation from the de-occupied territories of the South]." No it doesn't. The US taxpayer "assumes the cost". The Kyiv regime is long bankrupt. Ukrainians are in such a hurry to become stupefied Westerners and wards of the state, like Americans, they will believe any line of bs coming from media, government, and 'experts', even when their own lives are at stake from that same government, media, and experts who talked them into war with Russia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:07, November 20, 2022 (EST)
*This is what a pro-Ukrainian military analyst is saying: [https://youtu.be/n3HG9hoqjVI?t=1008 "the biggest problem is not so much Russian side is is really a Ukrainian Authority in Ukrainian leadership that's not really capable to uh to solve the problems. and not only that they they themselves not capable and they prevent people from saving themselves essentially. and that's where really the problem is. in all of this, and I think as time passes, it will be big it will become more and more evident and clear that current Ukrainian leadership is a literally a threat uh to Ukraine's survival. and it becomes it will become uh more clear again uh that it's doing more damage to Ukraine than than anyone, and including more than Russia. so again so the situation is really on the edge. uh where it's gonna go uh will remains to be seen. with the temperatures are going down below zero now in Ukraine uh for you know we'll we'll see how it all what will happen. and also really depends on the on the Russian resolve to put sort of final nail in the coffin of Ukrainian electricity distribution system."]
:Well duh. It's not like nobody saw this coming when Russia ''did not'' knock out the power grid from day one, as American "experts" and idiots criticized Putin last February. Instead, we've been treated to 9 nine months of bs and lies. Putin didn't take American "military experts" advice in February cause he ''did not'' want the war to expand, he ''did not'' want to inconvenience civilians. But no, these expert idiots go, "Putin's weak Russia's weak" and they pumped in billions, and killed 100,000. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 05:32, November 21, 2022 (EST)
*[https://youtu.be/c-sq3xtp-MY The first ever Russian washing machine on low-earth orbit]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:08, November 22, 2022 (EST
*[https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/all-of-a-sudden-huge-earthquakes-are-hitting-the-west-coast-of-the-u-s-and-other-high-risk-areas/ All Of A Sudden, Huge Earthquakes Are Hitting The West Coast Of The U.S. And Other High Risk Areas]. Comment: Probably just an old Cold War weapon. The only question is, ''Did the Russians share the technology with the Chinese?'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:34, November 23, 2022 (EST)

*Jacob Dreizen: [https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/11/18/republitards/ The RepubTARDS]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:42, November 23, 2022 (EST)

*[https://www.bitchute.com/video/4ESOtCWJLMIL/ Ok, granted, using a TOR to shoot down a drone can get a bit expensive for the Russians], in this, the first drone war. So in a war of attrition, using an expensive TOR missile to shoot down an expensive US drone still won't give NATO or Ukraine the edge. But it might P-off the Russians a bit more toward NATO and the West. That's not healthy. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:31, November 24, 2022 (EST)

*[https://youtu.be/xbjoJCe4hdo?t=87 More Putin propaganda that will get you on the Russia sanctions list]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:42, November 24, 2022 (EST)

*[https://youtu.be/egQrXEdNYDw Russia Ops in Ukraine (Update): Western Propaganda Implodes as War of Attrition Grinds On]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:15, November 27, 2022 (EST)
::Berletic makes a valid point here, comparing the [[GDP]] in Taliban-controlled Afghanistan to the collective GDP of NATO countries, which our brilliant war planners seem to think US superiority in GDP justifies spending on the war in Ukraine against Russia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:16, November 27, 2022 (EST)

===NATO missile strike on Poland===
12 hours ago the whole planet, led by Zelesnky and the [[MSM]], were bracing for WWIII. Then Biden calls time out in the fourth quarter with 5 minutes to go, and says "Nah, wait." Okay. So who cares who murdered two innocent Polish farmers the MSM & Zelesnky were prepared to nuke the planet over? Hey, missiles are flying around, and sometimes people get in the way. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:03, November 16, 2022 (EST)
:Update: [https://youtu.be/3i4st9xTQdU?t=115 WWIII swept under the rug.] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:06, November 16, 2022 (EST)

===The myth of Ukrainian nationalism===
You've heard much about proud Ukrainians "defending their country". Well now you can see it's all been a myth.

As 50% of Ukraines's electrical power (built by the hated Russians, whom the Ukrainian regime wants to rid itself of any memory) has been destroyed, the regime has imposed electrical rationing on areas that have been unaffected by war. Well, these areas don't give a rip about whose suffering and dying in other parts of the country, so they have taken to the streets to protest the [[Zelensky regime]]'s imposition of blackouts. So much for "Ukrainian nationalism and national pride". The Zelensky regime's days are numbered. "My God, this man cannot remain in power."

Go ahead, try to convince these people Russia caused their problems, not the Kyiv regime & NATO. Good luck. Unlike American and Western news consumers, these protesters are not fools. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:23, November 19, 2022 (EST)

===0-5===
After rifling through the Archives to update [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=1852777 Conservapedia proven right], I'm gonna put User:Cons down as 0-5. I stopped counting after about a half dozen references how the Javelin missile was gonna win the war for Ukraine; never got to M777 Howitzers or HIMARs. Seriously, again Cons, you need to either stop reading that MSM propaganda bs or at least think twice before repeating it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:11, November 24, 2022 (EST)

==[[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel]] on China's theory of punishment==

This guy's observations are really bizarre, but is known for insight on matters he's able to get right, so we have to listen to him regardless, if we want to understand how our ideas in Western Civilization got to be what they are.

He notes about China's jurisprudence:

:Punishments are generally corporal chastisements. Among us, this would be an insult to honour; not so in China, where the feeling of honour has not yet developed itself. A dose of cudgelling is the most easily forgotten; yet it is the severest punishment for a man of honour, who desires not to be esteemed physically assailable, but who is vulnerable in directions implying a more refined sensibility. But the Chinese do not recognize a subjectivity in honour; they are the subjects rather of corrective than retributive punishment, as are children among us; for ''corrective'' punishment aims at improvement, that which is ''retributive'' implies veritable imputation of guilt. In the ''corrective'', the deterring principle is only the fear of punishment, not any consciousness of wrong; for here we cannot presume upon any reflection upon the nature of the action itself. Among the Chinese all crimes, those committed against the laws of the family relation, as well as against the State, are punished externally.

:As regards responsibility, the distinction between ''malice prepense'' and blameless or accidental commission of an act is not regarded; for accident among the Chinese is as much charged with blame, as intention. Death is the penalty of accidental homicide. This ignoring of the distinction between accident and intention occasions most of the disputes between the English and the Chinese; for should the former be attacked by the latter—should a ship of war, believing itself attacked, defend itself, and a Chinese be killed as the consequence—the Chinese are accustomed to require that the Englishman who fired the shot should lose his life. Everyone who is in any way connected with the transgressor, shares, especially in the case of crimes against the emperor, the ruin of the actual offender: all his near kinsmen are tortured to death. The printers of an objectionable book and those who read it, are similarly exposed to the vengeance of the law. The direction which this state of things gives to private revenge is singular. It may be said of the Chinese that they are extremely sensitive to injuries and of a vindictive nature. To satisfy his revenge the offended person does not venture to kill his opponent, because the whole family of the assassin would be put to death; he therefore inflicts an injury on himself, to ruin his adversary. In many towns it has been deemed necessary to contract the openings of wells, to put a stop to suicides by drowning. For when anyone has committed suicide, the laws ordain that the strictest investgation shall be made into the cause. All the enemies of the suicide are arrested and put to the torture, and if the person who has committed the insult which led to the act, can be discovered, he and his whole family are executed. In case of insult therefore, a Chinese prefers killing himself rather than his opponent; since in either case he must die, but in the former contingency will have the due honours of burial, and may cherish the hope that his family will acquire the property of his adversary. Such is the fearful state of things in regard to responsibility and non-responsibility; all subjective freedom and moral concernment with an action are ignored.

I don't know where this guy gets his information; maybe he shapes the stories he gets hold of to contrast philosophical ideas rather than chooses to explain things according to historical truth. His dialectical appositions of what ideas are contrary to one another take on a fixed character, and I don't think that's the right way to do philosophy. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Saturday, 15:26, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

== FJB chants at Obama rally in Michigan ==

A crowd chanting FJB disrupt Obama rally in Michigan

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU9qCEjNxH8 Parts of Barack Obama's Crowd Chants FJB ] --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 21:48, October 29, 2022 (EDT)

==Moonofalabama.org==
The fact that the moonogalabama.org website has been offline now for more than 3 days should be taken as a heads-up that NATO is plotting something really big. Moon Of Alabama is one of three key websites for analytical information. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:54, October 31, 2022 (EDT)

:[[Sevastopol]] is the main target. To get there, the [[101st Airborne]] has to take [[Moldova]], [[Transnistria]], [[Odessa]], [[Nikolaev]], and [[Kherson]] first. To get to Transnistria and Odessa, the 101st has to get past Russian [[S-400]] missile defense system based in Sevastopol first. Hence the raid on Sevastopol the other day, to test the system.

:This why there's a media backout. U.S. aggression against Moldova and Transnistria, and the Russian Federation territory of Crimea, needs to be censored. As well as the use of a nuclear [[dirty bomb]] so the 4,700 man 101st Airborne force can advance against 75,000 Russians. ''Developing''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:18, November 1, 2022 (EDT)

::Note: Should a nuclear dirty bomb be used, I suspect a 24 hr to 72 hr lag time in reporting to shape media narratives. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:57, November 1, 2022 (EDT)

== About Bolsonaro's election ==

Hello, I want to put on the spotlight this news: [https://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-bolsonaro-brazil-election-lula-1755696 Steve Bannon Says Bolsonaro Can't Concede As He Rails Against Biden and CIA] [https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2022/10/31/brazil-silent-bolsonaro-keeps-everyone-guessing-lula-victory/ Brazil: Silent Bolsonaro Keeps Everyone Guessing After Lula Victory]--[[User:CatolicoAustral|CatolicoAustral]] ([[User talk:CatolicoAustral|talk]]) 18:33, October 31, 2022 (EDT)
:Once again, Bannon exposes himself as a troll who uses populist talking points as a means to dupe MAGA supporters into endorsing the Deep State agenda. In reality, the Deep State has nothing to gain from a Lula win. In fact, one can argue that Lula would be ''worse'' for the Deep State agenda than Bolsonaro. Because while both candidates are nationalist populists who refuse to get onboard the “hate Russia” bandwagon, only Lula opposes the Deep State’s efforts to contain China and Iran as well.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 11:07, November 1, 2022 (EDT)
::a) Don't look at the man, look at the bureaucracy. ''Who controls the globalist-infiltrated bureaucracy?'' Bolsonaro, like Trump, failed to gain control of the entrenched [[civil service system]], i.e, the Brazilian deep state. b) Splitting or neutralizing the growing political influence of [[BRICS]] is the main objective of globalists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:49, November 1, 2022 (EDT
:::'''Update: an important audit has being made of the elections by an Argentinian, check here: [https://brazilwasstolen.com/en/]'''--[[User:CatolicoAustral|CatolicoAustral]] ([[User talk:CatolicoAustral|talk]]) 16:42, November 6, 2022 (EST)

== I would hate to be a liberal/leftist right now ==
[[File:Cenk Uygur.jpg|thumbnail|right|200px|"It looks like we're toast." - [[Cenk Uygur]]'s prediction on the [[Democratic Party]]'s prospects for the [[2022 midterm elections]].[https://youtu.be/sPF_PhOpcME?t=333] ]]
With a likely [[red wave]] hitting the U.S. midterms[https://www.axios.com/2022/11/02/midterm-elections-2022-crime-hispanics-abortion] and refugees/migrant levels pouring into Europe approaching the 2015 [[European migrant crisis]] levels[https://www.politico.eu/article/migration-crisis-ursula-von-der-leyens-european-commission-brussels/] which caused right-wing populism to rise in Europe at the time, it looks might gloomy for liberals/leftists right now.

On top of this, leftist mainland China is facing significant financial problems.[https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2022/11/01/xi-jinping-promises-financial-stability-he-is-not-delivering-it] Will the [[Chinese Communist Party]] lose power in the next 5-10 years?

Oh liberals and leftists, it's too bad you made politics your god. Because God Almighty is smiting your false god! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:56, November 2, 2022 (EDT)

:I think you're misreading the current situation. It is not a typical contest between left/right, liberal/conservative. You're using an old school approach.

:US support for Ukraine is the cause of global economic hardship. The GOP, and GOP patriots will not stop it. Only a coalition of supposed "left" and "right" can stop and reverse it. You're looking at the problem with a discredited old school approach, which many see as a big factor in causing the crisis. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:16, November 2, 2022 (EDT)

:The focus needs to be on the fact that ALL Americans, Dems, Pubs, etc, have been lied to. Not a contest between left and right. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:20, November 2, 2022 (EDT)

:We need to bombard readers with updated factual information, and less partisan cheerleading. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:24, November 2, 2022 (EDT)

:Partisan cheerleading sounds as ridiculous as explanations for Paul Pelosi's conduct. Focus on specific facts and issues, for example [[Charlie Crist]]'s pledge to bring back masks and [[lockdown]]s. [https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/florida-dem-gov-candidate-charlie-crist-will-reinstate-mask-mandates-and-covid-restrictions-if-elected/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:28, November 2, 2022 (EDT)

::Listen to the language and rhetoric [[Tulsi Gabbard]] uses, appealing to 'independent-minded Democrats', if you truly want a [[Red wave]]. You're not going to get Democrats to repent and change, see the error of their ways, and become conservatives. But you can drive a wedge between Democrat elites and 'independent-minded Democrats.' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:32, November 2, 2022 (EDT)
:'''Update:''' [https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/11/07/elon-musk-triggers-the-usual-suspects-with-pre-election-message-to-independent-minded-voters/ Elon Musk triggers the usual suspects with pre-election message ‘to independent-minded voters’]. [https://youtu.be/uCeTsaJOXDw Am I right or am I right?] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:55, November 7, 2022 (EST)
::IOWs, you do not want to ignore this whole group, 'independent-minded Democrats', which your whole 'red wave' is absolutely and utterly dependent upon. In all election cycles, talk of a 'Red wave' or 'Blue wave' should ONLY occur AFTER, I repeat AFTER, results are final. It is demoralizing for two aspects: (1) it makes voters apathetic cause their vote won't be needed (see the case of [[Thomas Dewey]] and 1948 election, for example); (2) if a wave election ''does not'' occur, or only is marginal, we are subjected to months and months of stupid debate over "What is a wave election?" when we have more important things to attend to, as well as having a loss of credibility. Wave election talk is for about 5 minutes of gloating when the election is over. Period. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:59, November 2, 2022 (EDT)

::No cheerleaders ever won a game. You have to scare the hell out of people - like the KKK will burn a cross in your yard or inflation will eat your children alive - to motivate people to vote. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]

:::Then you have comments like this:
::::''" the 2015 European migrant crisis levels[29] which caused right-wing populism to rise in Europe at the time"''
:::Okay. So they've had 7 years to fix things. What have they done? Is that what "rightwing populism" and conservativism is, just a flash in the pan? A fad, like leftism, without principles? And the world looks a whole lot worse today since the last "rise of rightwing populism." You make "rightwing populism" look impotent. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:24, November 2, 2022 (EDT)
:::::Between Latinos and white, suburban women turning against the Democrats, there is going to be a red wave. I cite the Steve Turley video: Now that white, suburban women (who the [[Democrats]] said were going to vote for Democrats due to [[Roe vs. Wade]] being overturned) are projected to vote [[Republican]] by a 15% margin, panicked Democrats are turning on each other.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nt1qwtY9Qc] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:44, November 4, 2022 (EDT)
::::::Biden promised more election fraud the other day. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:16, November 4, 2022 (EDT)
::::::''Politco'' just published where the Democrats plan to cheat; [https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-nightly/2022/11/04/where-the-midterms-will-be-won-and-lost-00065271] it's all the same places they cheated in 2022 (of course, they cheated nationwide, but these are the places that can upset the balance): South Texas, Long Island New York, Northeastern Pennsylvania/Lehigh Valley, Orange County California, Clark County Nevada, Maricopa County Arizona, Atlanta Metro Area, Wake County North Carolina, Wisconsin’s 3rd Congressional District. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:22, November 4, 2022 (EDT)
“The big picture shows that you can never really count out Steve Bannon, both because of the trajectory of his career as well as the status of the movement in which he is a prominent figure,” she said.

Bannon has maintained that status by keeping the myth of the stolen 2020 presidential election front and centre in his broadcasts as key to engineering Trump’s comeback if he runs again in two years.

'''But Bannon’s most important role at present may be his championing of what is known as the “precinct strategy”, which seeks to take control of the Republican party from the bottom up, getting Trump supporters to take low-ranking, often vacant, positions within local branches. They are then in a position to select more senior party officials and to influence decisions such as the staffing of elections and selection of candidates, and ultimately to move up the party ranks.'''

'''Maga activists are also targeting school boards and poll monitoring positions.'''

“We’re going to take this back village by village … precinct by precinct,” Bannon said in one of his shows pushing the strategy.

'''ProPublica contacted dozens of Republican party county leaders across the US who reported significant increases in membership applications that appear tied to the precinct strategy.'''

Peltz said that the consequences could be with America for years.

“If Bannon is successful in shoehorning grassroots activists, which it appears that he is, he could have loyalists controlling the levels of power within the Republican party and, even more concerning, '''in''' '''election administration. That could be almost impossible to unwind for years and decades to come''',” she said.

For all that, Bannon faces challenges."[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/10/steve-bannon-fraud-charges-elections-maga] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:54, November 4, 2022 (EDT)

:What else is new? That's how American [[grassroots]] movements have always worked. It's called, "democracy." Bannon didn't invent it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:29, November 4, 2022 (EDT)

:Bottomline: You still take entirely too many words to express very little. On MPR, your routine editorial treatises that take up 1000 bytes or more can be pared down to less than 200 in most cases. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:45, November 4, 2022 (EDT)

:My advice: Take my advice, unless you want people to think you're a r*tard who has trouble expressing himself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:49, November 4, 2022 (EDT)

:Learn to be economical. 'Less is More'. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:01, November 5, 2022 (EDT)

:Look at the format of [https://www.bizpacreview.com/ Bizpacreview]'s main portal page. It carries items on a wide range of interest to their and our readers, often told with a bit of humor. For content and speeches that you make on MPR, make the readers click on the internal link. Use teasers to draw them in. Don't give away the whole store in a long-winded speech nobody is listening to. And above all, avoid repetition.

::When you find an item of interest to our readers, it should be added '''''first''''' to a mainspace article, if only to keep articles updated if it truly is a headline grabber. Too often, somebody rushes to MPR with a headline and links to stale content in the encyclopedia. This is self-defeating, and self-destructive. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:12, November 5, 2022 (EDT)

:Incidentally, I was the editor of my high school newspaper and did an internship with a business publication under a former editor for the ''The Chicago Tribune'' who worked with [[Studs Terkel]]. Since then, I've worked many years in print advertising. So I learned a little bit about the publishing business. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:19, November 7, 2022 (EST)
::I see. My first work endeavor was being a paper boy. :) That's if you don't count selling products door to door in order to pay for summer Boy Scout camp. :) Actually, I don't recall which one I did first.

::Presently, I work in a field related to book/film publicity for a major podcast (Like in the top 1% of all podcasts in terms of popularity. Something I helped happen). I also read a 300+ page book on book marketing for debut authors as I will be helping a debut author sell her nutritional book that she already had printed out. She wants to clear out her book inventory. I am doing this as a favor to a past client of mine.

::Recently, I saw the film documentary ''Case For Case'' by the ex-atheist [[Lee Strobel]] who formerly worked for the ''Chicago Tribune'' as an award-winning journalist. It's a great documentary. I recommend watching it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:39, November 7, 2022 (EST)

:I have sold millions of dollars of advertising to and for businesses (actually, I tried to add it all up once, but when you sell a continuing contract, you can only lowball the figure to a fixed number). So I know bit about what catches the public's eye, and what persuades and convinces decision makers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:54, November 7, 2022 (EST)

::Let's talk about signage, for example. When you drive down the street, businesses spend millions and millions of dollars on billboards and store front signage to get out their message, consisting chiefly of business name, product, location, and possibly phone number. Now, how many seconds in your car does the average consumer have or spend to absorb the relevant and vital information? Answer: less than 2 seconds.

::For Yellow Page, click bait, and headlines, there is scant improvement for the amount of vital time readers are willing to spend. Learn from the Babylon Bee. They have mastered the art. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:33, November 7, 2022 (EST)

== Blake Masters lead polls ==

[[Blake Masters]] lead latest poll from Emerson College over fake moderate [[Mark Kelly]] 48%-47% --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 12:24, November 4, 2022 (EDT)

== Trump attacks DeSantis on the eve of his re-election bid, again ==
[https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-mocks-desantis-pennsylvania-rally-ron-desanctimonious This] just happened. I called it.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 01:10, November 6, 2022 (EDT)
:That's interesting. Congratulations on predicting it! Trump is the [[conservative populist]], while DeSantis has benefited from Trump's coattails while also enjoying a boost for rightly opposing the [[vaccine police]].--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 01:16, November 6, 2022 (EDT)
::Sundance [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/05/likely-in-response-to-the-ron-is-god-campaign-ad-president-trump-gives-ron-desantis-a-nickname/ is speculating] that Trump made that comment in response to a recent ad by the DeSantis campaign which basically equates him to God. If that's the case, then I would've used a different nickname: De''Sacrilege''.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 01:23, November 6, 2022 (EDT)
:::In the same article, Sundance points out several parallels between DeSantis and Ted Cruz, and none of them are good.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 01:24, November 6, 2022 (EDT)
::On a related note, I'm getting sick and tired of politicians trying to deify themselves and/or embracing deifying statements made by their followers. And when I say "politicians," I don't mean just establishment figures (like DeSantis), but also populist figures (like Trump). American politics, across the board, has become godless in every sense of the word. And people still wonder why our country continues to suffer misfortune after misfortune no matter who they elect.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 12:57, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::Is that all you do? Sit around and wait for Sundance's reporting on the GOPe (Sundance's shorthand for the GOP establishment) where he mentions DeSantis? If you're such an avid believer in Sundance, why no discussion of the GOPe unholy relationship with Chamber of Commerce and globalists, cause that's Sundance's main point? The ''Wall Street v. Main Street'' aspect. Do you think we're a bunch of Democrats, enamored with personalities and we ignore real issues? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:55, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::Talk about a pot calling kettle black. You’ve outright dismissed Sundance’s reporting in the past when he said things you don’t like. Example A: When he raised the idea that Pompeo was in on the conspiracy to release COVID from the Wuhan lab.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:13, November 6, 2022 (EST)

:::I don't get it. You're on this anti-DeSantis crusade for months cause he's a threat to Trump, and you attack Trump at the same time. Why don't you focus on the substance of what Sundance is talking about - criticizing the GOP establishment. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:02, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::Wrong. I’m onto DeSantis because he is engaging in blatant opportunism. Whether Trump is the best choice in 2024 is a separate issue.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:13, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::You're misreading Sundance. He says DeSantis is a GOPe stooge, like Romney and Jeb Bush. Nothing about opportunism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:24, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::Oh, I get it. You ignore all the nasty stuff Sundance writes about Nikki Haley, Marco Rubio, and Paul Ryan cause they are not running for president. Your perspective is typical Democrat false messiah worship. You think you can drive a wedge between Republicans, between the MAGA GOP and the GOPe. Hey, we're not liberals, and we're not Democrats, and we don't think like Democrats. And when Democrat BS gets dragged in here, it stinks to high heaven. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:08, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::Um, I’ve attacked Haley and Rubio here before. Multiple times. Go see the edits I’ve made to their articles. Also, I explicitly recall getting into a lengthy debate with you over Rubio back in July 2021, where you defended him from my attacks.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:13, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::I've noticed. All you do is attack GOP candidates of presidential caliber, to include Trump, Pompeo, Rubio, DeSantis, Haley, etc. It's obvious. You never discuss core issues. Only personalities, like a typical Democrat. And when you do pretend to discuss issues, it's loaded with contradictions, like a typical Democrat office holder or voter. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:24, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::Since when do Democrats care about subversive words and deeds by neocons, which by the way all of those people (minus Trump) are.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:44, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::Since Dems will use any lame excuse to attack Republicans. I at least have some basis for my attacks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:56, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::Lame excuse? You think supporting the geopolitical projects of Brzezinski and Kissinger is a lame excuse for me to attack neocon Republicans? How about supporting Wahhabism and blaming everything they do (including 9/11) on Iran? How about supporting color revolutions and false flag operations, and constantly lying about that? How about advocating the persecution of whistleblowers like Assange, Manning, and Snowden? How about supporting the continuation of the Patriot Act and NDAA? How about using the “Israel” card to corrupt our churches? And how about getting millions of people killed due to their misdeeds? You expect me to stay silent about that, just because they’re Republicans? Sure, I can focus on attacking Democrats, but that would be saying what’s already been said. I’d rather say what has ''yet'' to be said, thank you very much.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 19:52, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::Let me see if I can follow this reasoning: Democrat warmongers and neocons have been exposed, and the public ignores it. So the one hope in defeating them, you wish to sink the Republican party. Is that fair criticism? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:26, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::Nope. Many neocons still lurk in the shadows because much of the MAGA movement has only one eye open. That is, they don’t see neocons for what they are unless they’re openly against Trump. And on a related note, Trump seems reluctant to strike at the neocons first. He tends to wait until they publicly come out against him, if they ever do. Unless this changes, MAGA will remain at risk of being co-opted.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 20:37, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::You said it, not me. The MAGA movement is blind and stupid. Twitter is not hiring right now, if you're looking for a job. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:44, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::I said "one eye open," which is half blind and half with sight. They absolutely do have the right ideas, but their love for Trump sometimes gets in the way of them remaining true to what they stand for. Of course that's not Trump's fault. He can't control how they think. But he ''can'' control his desire to be accepted by the establishment, although that's technically a separate issue.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:12, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::::Okay, so MAGA Republicans are as stupid and emotional as Democrat cult followers. That makes sense coming from the Democrat point of view. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:18, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::No, they aren't ''that'' far gone. At least they have one eye open. Democrat cult followers have both eyes closed, and perhaps have eyes missing from their sockets.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:33, November 6, 2022 (EST)

:::::::::PS. If anyone has been using lame excuses, it’s you. You’ve been obsessed with trying to find proof that I’m some Democrat operative for years now. At virtually every opportunity, you scream “Democrat!” Much like how woke leftists like to scream things like “racist!” It’s really getting tiresome, you know.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 20:06, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::There you go again. NATO warmongers (whom you often refer to as "neocons") follow the Brezinski ''Grand Chessboard'' playbook, which Kissinger opposes. As I said, when you do pretend to discuss issues, it's loaded with contradictions, like a typical Democrat office holder or voter, tossing out and demonizing personalities rather discussing core issues. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:19, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::The only thing Brzezinski and Kissinger disagree on regarding the Eurasian Heartland is ''how'' to achieve domination of it. But Kissinger still believes in the premise that America must conquer the Eurasian Heartland in order to remain secure, so he is still part of the problem.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 20:28, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::Kissinger is the main opposition spokesman against the neocon NATO warmongers implementing the ''Grand Chessboard''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:44, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::Only because they're prioritizing dismantling and genociding Russia over dismantling and genociding China. He wants it the other way around, and thus is just the other side of the coin.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 20:57, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::::"genociding Russia"? What's that supposed to mean? Sounds like a neocon talking point if I ever heard one. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:03, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::The neocons want to genocide the Russian population. You know that, and have pointed that out yourself several times.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:05, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::::::Yah but I don't do it in ambiguous language. Are you saying neocons want to genocide the Chinese people, who are victims of the genocidal Chinese regime? When you do pretend to discuss issues, it's loaded with contradictions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:08, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::Yes, I ''am'' saying neocons want to genocide the Chinese people. Because that's what ''The Grand Chessboard'' calls for.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:21, November 6, 2022 (EST)

:::::::And you do realize I hold those people in such contempt because I see neocons as literal traitors to our country, not just as “establishment,” right?--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:44, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::Oh, we're back to neocons again. Why don't write something about the [[neocon]]/[[climate change]] alliance. It's happening in Germany (and destroying the country) and in the U.S., [[AOC]] is the leading proponent. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:56, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::Sundance has touched on this subject, so you are quoting him out of context. I haven't seen a word about DeSantis joining up with AOC to support [[nuclear war]] and end fossil fuel consumption with [[Russia sanctions]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:01, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::Except Sundance ''has'' pointed out that DeSantis supports the Ukraine war. I even shared an article establishing that not too long ago (last week, I think). The article doesn’t go as far as saying he’s part of the neocon/climate change alliance, but by my standards he de facto is.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 19:52, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::Oh, so Trump is a neocon warmonger too, cause he's made statements that appear to be in support of the war, as recently as last night. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:19, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::I still have hope that Trump’s position on this issue is malleable. But that hope is waning, I’ll admit.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 20:25, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::Maybe Trump, the non-politician, learned something about politics - you have to lie to get into office.
:::::::::::::Unlike Trump, Perot, Bloomberg, etc., DeSantis is not self-funding. So he has to take money from the traditional GOPe donor base to be the default candidate should Trump be Arkancided or die of natural causes. This issue has very little to do with ideology. And the beauty of the system is, he gets to keep all the money for a 2028 bid. I'll bet $100 whoever the nominee is, DeSantis will vote for Trump, and Trump for DeSantis.
:::::::::::::You will recall, the evil neocon warmonger Ted Cruz was Trump's main opponent in the 2016 primaries. Trump went so far as insulting Cruz's wife's looks. The day after the convention, they were besties, and Cruz even stood up as an objector and election denier.
:::::::::::::You're spinning your wheels with the BS and slander campaign you're on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]
::::::::::::::Maybe it isn't about ideology for Sundance, but it certainly is about ideology for me. And since you brought up Cruz, he doesn't deserve the good standing he now has with Trump. Especially after several people from his camp joined the Trump administration only to sabotage it from within.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:01, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::bla bla bla. All you do is trash Republicans. It gets tiring. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:05, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::::::Not all Republicans, just the neocon wing. And if you oppose them like I do, then why should you have a problem with that?--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:12, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::I think I've proven a couple times over that you do not even know what a neocon is, other than an attack word. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:18, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::But go ahead and use it, now that the neocons have taken over the climate change agenda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:22, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::Even [[Greta Thunberg]] is on board. Neocons are weening us off fossil fuels. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:24, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::The central premise of neoconservatism is foreign interventionism in the name of maintaining the unipolar world order. Social issues come second.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:25, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::::Climate change was just a bunch of talk, until the neocons implemented a plan of action. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:28, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::::Only because they've become so Russophobic that they are now too stupid to understand that fossil fuels is what makes the Eurasian heartland strategically important in the first place (and apparently have also forgotten that the petrodollar exists).--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 21:37, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::::::It's all part of the [[Great Reset]]. Climate activists are warmongers. Progressives are warmongers. And the necons dominate them. The neocons are done with the GOP. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 22:03, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::::::That last sentence would only be true if one accepted the premise that neocons who embraced Trump in 2016 and continue to support him in 2022 are no longer neocons. I wholeheartedly reject that premise.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 09:33, November 7, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::::::::The GOP is not the neocons prime focus anymore to infiltrate and promote their agenda. The Patriot movement, dominated by MAGA, is not the prime focus of neocons to promote American unipolar hegemony. The Green Agenda is the primary vehicle neocons are using to promote American global dominance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:14, November 7, 2022 (EST)
::::::::::::::::::::::::I can't disagree with that one, but keep in mind that "primary vehicle" does not mean "only vehicle." There are others.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 10:35, November 7, 2022 (EST)
:::::::::::::::::::::::::It's a tall order. You have to unbrainwash a generation of 17-year-old [[brainwash]]ed climate change warmongers brainwashed by Greta Thunberg. I'm in my 60s, so it's your problem, my friend. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:05, November 7, 2022 (EST)

:If you're going to follow Sundance, get with the program. [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/06/neil-oliver-outlines-the-consequences-of-the-western-alliance-decision-to-limit-energy-development-as-winter-is-coming/ His latest post is a link to Neil Oliver:] 'The green agenda we’re being sold is absolutely not green'. Oliver says,
::''"Fast forward nearly 40 years after [[Live Aid]] and have a look at what the media and much of the rest of the mainstream are calling for now - the Green agenda, Agenda 2030, Net Zero and the rest of a hellish potpourri of policies guaranteed to condemn hundreds of millions to death by poverty, death by starvation, misery for want of the means ever to make their lives better. Half a lifetime after Live Aid, and earnest hopes of throwing arms around the world, the new clarion call is to snuff out the lights here in the West. To usher in the cold where there has been warmth. And to see to it that the achievement of the Industrial Revolution, and centuries of ingenuity that conspired to lift billions of people around the world out of poverty, are dismantled and unwound upon the altar of the new religion of saving the planet of tomorrow. Prioritizing that as yet non-existent world over the here and now. Millions upon millions of those living today, perhaps billions in the end, are to be sacrificed as though they don't exist. Any last vestige of camouflage, preventing us perceiving the true nature of the messiahs of the Green agenda, is falling away day by day. Celebrity truant Greta Thunberg's latest proclamation is that 'it's time to transform the West's oppressive and racist capitalist system'. She means overthrow it, thereby laying bare at last the motivation of her handlers."'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:04, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:Here's another. [[Jordan Peterson]]: [https://youtu.be/tF5spyudTYA Wicked Globalists Are Causing Starvation and Poverty Under the Guise of Environmentalism]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:27, November 6, 2022 (EST)

::::In your efforts to drive a wedge, you totally miss what Sundance is doing. He is not attacking DeSantis. He is documenting, step-by-step, ''how'' the GOPe operates. And ''why''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]
:::::And you don’t think he expects his readers to have hard feelings towards DeSantis when he writes what he writes? He always reads the comments and he knows full well how they have been reacting.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 18:13, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::::::Sundance must be following our discussions, cause he clarified himself today with the Update below. It's not about DeSantis. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]

:'''Update: Sundance:''' [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/06/desanctimonious-is-not-about-the-florida-governor/ “DeSanctimonious” is Not About the Florida Governor], November 6, 2022.
::[[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 16:26, November 6, 2022 (EST)

===Crowd goes wild when Trump says re-elect DeSantis===
So, hopefully this will put an end to the [[trolling]]. [https://therightscoop.com/watch-crowd-goes-bananas-when-trump-says-reelect-ron-desantis-at-miami-rally/ Crowd goes BANANAS when Trump says reelect Ron DeSantis at Miami rally!] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:31, November 6, 2022 (EST)
:Trump embraces neocons again. Unfortunate.--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 19:56, November 6, 2022 (EST)
::I'm sure a lot of GOP voters are thinking now, 'If the presidential primary were tomorrow, who would you vote for?' They're thinking, 'I'd vote for a winner. DeSantis.' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:42, November 9, 2022 (EST)

::[https://therightscoop.com/trumps-latest-tweet-shows-how-jealous-he-is-of-ron-desantis/ Trump’s latest tweet shows how JEALOUS he is of Ron DeSantis].
::It was absolutely ridiculous to build up expectations of a [[Red wave]] rather than promote grassroots involvement in election integrity. Now Trump is getting criticism from conservatives, which will go on and on til the 2024 primaries. Rather than a Red wave, we got a split GOP now.

::And it was obvious: those who promoted a big Red wave had no interest in the most vital issue - securing against stolen elections. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 18:58, November 9, 2022 (EST)

:::Sundance has a major update on the MAGA v. GOPe (Trump v. DeSantis) internecine conflict. [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/10/president-trump-fires-back-against-ron-desantis-con-inc-and-coordinated-narrative-midterm-effort/] Given Sundance's style of commentary, he posts a major piece like this and will build upon it in coming installments. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:56, November 11, 2022 (EST)

===Anti-lockdown stance gave DeSantis a boost===

This is from ''American Thinker'' and belongs on MPR: "[https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/11/the_biggest_lesson_of_the_election_voters_rewarded_republicans_in_statewide_races_who_battled_covid_lockdowns_and_vaccine_mandates_.html The biggest lesson of the election: Voters rewarded Republicans in statewide races who battled COVID lockdowns and vaccine mandates]."

Trump is out, DeSantis is in. If Biden wants it, the 2024 Democratic nomination is his. Otherwise, it goes to Kamala Harris. After all, they are both more coherent than Fetterman, Pennsylvania's incoherent stroke victim, artificial intelligence construct, and senator-elect. There was a massive red wave in Florida and South Dakota, the two states where Republican governors led the charge against lockdowns. In the lead up to the election, the buzz was all about, crime, inflation, immigration, war in Ukraine, and abortion. But in the voting booth, covid trumped all of those, as it had in Virginia last year.

Election night was a certainly a disappointment. This is the first time in a very long time that Republicans did significantly worse in the actual election than in pre-election polling. In 2016, 2018 and 2020, Republicans ran at least four point ahead of polling. One explanation I read is that that Biden's "Mega MAGA" and pro-democracy talk scared swing voters and made them reluctant to answer pollsters. "Hey Bess, one of those dangerous Trump-supporting Mega-MAGA people wants to know how we are going to vote." That would certainly be an amusing reason if it turned out to be true.

[https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/11/wot-happened-2.php Powerline compares this election to 1978]. The economy in 1978 was awful. But many Americans were still voting against Nixon, although he wasn't on the ballot. Republican gains were modest. In this analogy, Trump is the new Nixon. Not until Reagan was nominated in 1980 did Republicans get past Watergate. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 22:09, November 9, 2022 (EST)
:Interesting analysis, but the real message is that [[Dem]]s continue to get better each cycle at [[ballot harvesting]] and [[election fraud]]. The [[Pennsylvania]] election proves that Dems can elect [[Mickey Mouse]] in some states now with their machine. Next-door [[New York]] doesn't tolerate that high level of Dem-manipulated voting.
:The [[GOP]] won, and a bigger win may not have been better. [[Mitch McConnell]] is a warmonger, while [[JD Vance]] won big by being anti-war. Also, who wants [[Biden]] to be able to run against a [[GOP]] Senate in 2024, as [[Clinton]] successfully did in 1996?
:(added later with sig) The reality is that a [[GOP]]-controlled Senate now would be led by pro-war [[Mitch McConnell]], who is so unpopular that it could cause massive losses in 2024 across-the-board. [[Trump]] has vowed to replace McConnell as [[GOP]] Senate leader in 2024.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 01:24, November 10, 2022 (EST)
:::And as the senseless war and killing ramps up on the ground, the US commitment to the war (which is driving the whole war) is firmed up. The consequences of this commitment is more debt, more borrowing, more inflation, and more economic dislocation for common people - which is exactly the globalists' agenda. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:19, November 10, 2022 (EST)

::How does it take 5 days to count Nevada, a state that is little bigger than Wyoming? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:10, November 10, 2022 (EST)
::92% of all land in Nevada is federal land. That means, outside of a handful of military bases and reservation land, the rest of the population lives on 8% of the land. Washington DC owns the State of Nevada, and there has got to be a connection between the naked, rampant voter fraud we've seen in federal elections in recent years affecting the control of Congress and the White House. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:19, November 10, 2022 (EST)
:::[[Dem]]s are stealing the [[Nevada]] election and hopefully this will educate the [[Republican]]s who are in denial about it.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 01:24, November 10, 2022 (EST)

::::Re: 1978. The 1978 Midterms were a big comeback for the GOP, largely based on Carternomics & the 1973 ''Roe v. Wade'' ruling, which people were only beginning to understand its ramifications. Also, the [[ERA]] was a big issue.

::::I comeback to MSM and MSM narratives, both in polling and news reporting. This shouldn't be that big a problem for us today with social media and internet. CP needs to strive keep MSM narratives off MPR, and respond with our own counter-narratives, linked to articles. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:34, November 10, 2022 (EST)

::::Taking all the Red wave bait from MSM polls and news reports has had a devastating and demoralizing effect, and strengthened our opposition.

::::The day I see polls with 95% right track/wrong track & 95% GOP generic ballot, is the day I will be more confident of a 51% win at the polls. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:39, November 10, 2022 (EST)

::::Why is media manipulation and mass brainwashing so difficult to understand? It is taught in poli sci, journalism, and computer advanced courses in colleges today. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:44, November 10, 2022 (EST)

::::The twenty-something year old punks at [[Twitter]] didn't learn about manipulation and brainwashing on the job - they were indoctrinated with it in schools, and got those jobs based on "qualifications". [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 01:56, November 10, 2022 (EST)
:::::A lot of governors/Republicans/conservatives don't pay enough attention to educational issues. DeSantis has payed attention to this issue. See: [https://news.yahoo.com/gov-ron-desantis-leveraged-parent-183639285.html Gov. Ron DeSantis, Who Leveraged Parent Outrage Over Schools, Wins Big in FL]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:35, November 10, 2022 (EST)
::::::You're speaking of primary and secondary education; the context mentioned above is post-secondary education. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:50, November 10, 2022 (EST)

:'''Update''': [https://youtu.be/JXIbC7VoXUc Gingrich turns on Trump]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:57, November 10, 2022 (EST)
::Recall: Gingrich resigned Speakership after disappointing 1998 Midterms. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:58, November 10, 2022 (EST)

==The Big Red Wave circles down the drain==

So it's official. Cons, you're 0-3 on Coronavirus, the NATO war, and Red Wave (0-4 counting [[Paul Pelosi]], but you didn't post that to MPR.)

'''Post Mortem:'''
#You need to seriously re-examine your sources of information;
#the time spent on pushing a Big Red Wave should have been spent on pushing [[election integrity]] and encouraging people to get involved at the local level as election watchers to prevent exactly what just happened, again;
#the Big Red Wave, posted on MPR since May had two consequences (1) it demoralized potential GOP voters both before and after the election; (2) it damaged CP credibility as a source.

MPR should be used for two reasons: (1) providing alternative, qualified links and sources to the readers; (2) '''NOT''' promoting established [[mainstream media]] narratives (as you did in the covid, NATO war, Red Wave & Paul Pelosi cases.

No news story tells the whole story in itself. All news stories are ''developing'', or continuing stories. We need to abandon the habit of posting sensational garbage that shows up in your Inbox. When the judgement is made to post a story, what needs to go along with it is a commitment to '''''follow up''''' with ''both'' continuing coverage, AND building article content on the same subject. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 02:26, November 9, 2022 (EST)
:Three things wrong on coronavirus? I have no idea what you are talking about as far as two other things. And there is no definitive proof on the source of the coronavirus to this day so your lab theory of the source of the pandemic is merely a theory and one that is not supported by the weight of the evidence. I have no idea what you are talking about as far as NATO.

:As far as the midterms, while the GOP did not have a red wave due to the unpopularity of Biden and high inflation/crime, Biden will still likely face gridlock because the GOP will likely squeak out a majority in the House. At this point, there is going a post mortem on why the GOP underperformed in the midterms and who is going to be the next president is up in the air. I am just glad that I am not going to depend on U.S. politicians when it comes to my future. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:15, November 9, 2022 (EST)

::Don't be coy. You consistently post MSM narratives which are counterintuitive, and defeat counter-narratives. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:38, November 9, 2022 (EST)

::Here's the point: Since May, you pushed the Red Wave. That time and space ''should'' have been used to push [[voter integrity]], and encourage people to get involved at the [[grassroots]] level.
::Instead, you demoralized people by repeating over and over again, 'Don't worry, it's in the bag.' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:45, November 9, 2022 (EST)
:::The big takeaway is that the country is fairly divided and the pollsters are unreliable. After the right/left leaning pollsters blew various recent elections, I am not going to pay much attention to them unless the margins are very big.

:::Rather than look at the polls in terms of political races, I think I will give more weight to the betting markets.

:::I cite:

::::"In this sense, markets react faster than the snappiest snap poll. The political gambling community itself would turn a pollster’s stomach. I have found it to be overwhelmingly made up of white, educated, males who are mathematically inclined and politically sophisticated (including a good number of politicians themselves). Yet there are quite a few [http://ubplj.org/index.php/jpm/article/view/981 statistical analyses] that credit the markets collectively as more predicatively powerful than polls.

::::That said, betting market information expressed in probabilities – for example, Herschel Walker is given a 61% chance of winning and Raphael Warnock is given a 41% chance of winning – is much less intuitive to the public. This is because, unlike a poll, in betting markets a lead of 61% to 41% actually indicates a tight contest where either candidate could well win."[http://ubplj.org/index.php/jpm/article/view/981]

:::But better yet, instead of following politics, I will focus more on important things like faith, family/friends, career, etc. The older I get the more apolitical I get. For example, both the Democrats and Republicans often spend like drunken sailors, but they spend on different things. Both parties are leading America into another Great Depression through their big spending ways. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:06, November 9, 2022 (EST)

::::This ''IS'' the Post Mortem right here. And it needs to begin with you admitting that you contributed to the defeat.
::::And how did you contribute? By refusing to listen to advice, and stepping on my efforts to post counter-MSM narratives.

::::You've said that a dozen times, "I will stop following politics', and 3 days later you're back posting MSM garbage. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 11:11, November 9, 2022 (EST)

::::Additionally, your [[Red wave]] flag waving has done damage to [[Donald Trump]], and elevated his probable opponent. There comes a time to defer to others with more experience in politics when you admit you don't have it, or are not interested.
::::My first campaign that I was actively involved with was in 1968 for [[Richard Nixon]], 54 years ago, under wartime, inflationary, and crime ridden conditions, which is probably longer than you've been alive. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:02, November 9, 2022 (EST)
:::::Pardon me, but I'm very upset about this. I have spent hours and hours shaping narratives to cull a 200 byte blurb with a link on MPR to a mainspace article, and within 15 minutes you would step on it with 1500 bytes of crap about UK potholes, gay salad bars, the glorious Red Wave, or garbage in support of Saint Zelensky (and the attendant inflation and crime that comes with it). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:11, November 9, 2022 (EST)
:::::And you did the same thing with [[covid]] comes from eating bats, wasting more than a year of both readers and editors time with misleading information you culled from MSM. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:15, November 9, 2022 (EST)

;Must read: Zerohedge: '''[https://www.zerohedge.com/political/midterms-post-mortem-comprehending-gops-underwhelming-performance Midterms Post-Mortem: Comprehending GOP's Underwhelming Performance]'''.
::'''''Did the narrative of the Red Wave seem like hubris?'''''
::''At times rosy expectations can be the mother of all disappointments. The relentless talk of a red wave, which began in conservative media and spread like wildfire, could have had multiple consequences.

::''Perhaps GOP voters presumed a victory was inevitable and chose to stay home. Perhaps Democrat voters thinking that their party needs them in times of peril chose to vote.

::''Perhaps some voters thought of this talk of the red wave as hubris.

::''Voters often do not like politicians taking them for granted and second-guessing them.

::''Perhaps they decided to give the GOP a reality check?

:Don't say you were not warned. Today is only the beginning, picking up the pieces. We need more cooperation and coordination on this page, and less bravado and sneering at other qualified editor's input. No single editor is the guardian of the conservative perspective. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:05, November 10, 2022 (EST)

===Connecting the dots===
The [[NATO war in Ukraine]] is fueling [[inflation]] with more borrowing and more debt; inflation fuels the [[crime]] crisis. The failure of the GOP to garner a consensus ''against'' the NATO war means the war, inflation, and crime will continue.

And as I predicted a month or two ago, the GOP will be blamed for the [[Recession]], even if the GOP caves now to demands for [[Keynesian]] [[stimulus]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 11:20, November 9, 2022 (EST)

:You nailed it, RobS. You absolutely nailed it here. And yet, few will listen. Earlier this morning I told a close relative of mine what you just said, and all I got was, "no, it was because of Trump. DeSantis 2024."--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 12:22, November 9, 2022 (EST)

::You see the problem: MSM polls create three stand alone issues: ''"Which issues are voters most concerned about,"'' whereas it's all one issue: war + debt = inflation + crime. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:02, November 9, 2022 (EST)

===Updates on Arizona Democrat election fraud? ===

RobS, you posted on main page right: "Updates on Arizona Democrat election fraud."

But you didn't provide a shred of proof of there being substantial election fraud in the 2022 midterm elections in Arizona. That is unacceptable. Is it too much to ask that the MRR post correspond to the link(s) that is/are provided?

The link to the [[2000 Mules]] video at Bit Chute was far more compelling in another MPR post of yours (The 2000 Mules documentary was about the 2020 presidential election and made a case there was widespread election fraud in that election). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:12, November 10, 2022 (EST)

:Oh, you mean the people who suffered [[voter suppression]] didn't happen? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:00, November 10, 2022 (EST)

:Did you read the link from Townhall on Kari Lake's and Blake Master's lawsuit against Maricopa county? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:01, November 10, 2022 (EST)

:This is called narrative building or narrative construction. And it can be done with 200 bytes or less, not a longwinded Essay without internal links that nobody reads. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:02, November 10, 2022 (EST)

::As any marketing specialist can estimate, it is obvious exactly what happened. Dems tend to vote early. Repubs wait til election day. Dems stuffed the ballot box pre-election day. On election day, a marketing specialist can estimate exactly which polling locations need to be closed, for what length of time, how many GOP voters will turn up, how many GOP voters ''will not'' wait, go to another location, or return in the afternoon to try again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:51, November 10, 2022 (EST)

===Steve Turley's commentary on the 2022 midterm elections===

[[Steve Turley]], who expected a red wave in the 2022 midterm elections, produced some post-2022 midterm elections videos which I think are pretty good.

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOgJEuzXik Something BIG Is Happening] - The topic of political balkanization is discussed ([[Red state]]s are getting redder and [[blue state]]s are getting bluer). Political balkanization will hurt Democrats because 8 of the top 10 states people are leaving are Democrat-controlled states so if this trend continues Democrats will lose seats in the House of Representatives (see: [https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/states-move-to-from/ 10 States People Are Fleeing And 10 States People Are Moving To]). And most of the people leaving blue states are leaving the politics of their past state behind them (see: [https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/features/states-move-to-from/ 10 States People Are Fleeing And 10 States People Are Moving To]). For example, GOP leaning people are leaving big population states like California and New York.

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU2RL7RW4dw Republicans FLIP Five More Seats for Net Gain of 16]

*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsAXNmJrRMo Republicans WIN More SUPERMAJORITIES Than EVER] - About 50% of the USA now has veto-proof state legislators whereas Democrats merely have 14 states with veto-proof majorities. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:49, November 10, 2022 (EST)

::That's right. After my No.1 recommendation was to re-examine your sources, cite your errant sources to blame for a colossal screw up.

::Dr. Turley is a guy I respect immensely, but not all sources have expertise in all areas. And obviously Dr. Turley's forte is not electoral politics. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:02, November 10, 2022 (EST)

::For example, Turley's been preaching "rightwing populism" sweeping Europe for 7 years now, and what have the "rightwing populists" done to limit immigration or stop European globalists from destroying their economies with [[Russian sanctions]] in the past 7 years? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:13, November 10, 2022 (EST)

:::Here is the fact you need to square up to: Talk of a [[Red wave]], which I explicitly warned against, is probably what destroyed [[Donald Trump]]'s hope to return to the White House. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:19, November 10, 2022 (EST)
::::The pandemic probably caused Trump and Bolsanaro to lose their reelection bids, but I frankly don't know much about Brazilian politics. The website https://electionbettingodds.com/ gives Trump a 17.8% chance of winning the U.S. presidential election in 2024. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:58, November 11, 2022 (EST)

:::::I am speaking of the demoralizing effects a focus on polls have, both pre-election and post-election. Polling data is caca. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:27, November 11, 2022 (EST)

:From a professional perspective, look at the way a successful campaign is conducted. In 2008, Obama's win was a blow out. However prior to election day you did not see any hubris about a "Blue wave". Rather, we saw endless speculation over ''Will white males over 55 vote for a black man'', etc. This is the proper way to conduct a campaign. "Wave" talk is for AFTER, I repeat AFTER, I repeat again AFTER an election. In fact, prior to election, it ought to be viewed suspiciously either as internal [[subversion]], or naive and amateurish by people without understanding or regard of the consequences for failure. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:23, November 11, 2022 (EST)

:Wave talk is like spiking the football and doing an endzone dance when you tie the score with 2 minutes to go, and the other team kicks a field goal in the final minutes. If I were a coach, I'd fine the player $5,000 for not following instructions. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:27, November 11, 2022 (EST)

:As you read all the post mortems, they say the GOP did not put for forward an agenda or solutions. Exactly. Endless wave talk IS NOT an agenda or solution. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:34, November 11, 2022 (EST)
::The GOP never explained to people how the Biden administration caused high inflation in the USA and how some other countries were faring better such as Switzerland. In addition, until recently, the GOP never made much of an effort to get schools/colleges to teach basic economics from a conservative point of view. Meanwhile, you had the MSM and the Biden administration talking about how inflation was happening "everywhere". For all his faults, [[Ross Perot]] did educate voters. Preparation is the key to winning battles. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:44, November 11, 2022 (EST)

:::Wrong. People well understand Joe Biden, not Vladimir Putin, is responsible for inflation. The GOP never put forward proposals how to deal with it, or any other problem.
:::Lessons learned: a 75% Wrong track poll ''does not'' translate into a [[Red wave]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:50, November 11, 2022 (EST)

::::What you just said right here: ''"GOP never explained to people how the Biden administration caused high inflation"'' is ''"People are stupid and they believe Joe Biden lies"''. Hence, your high-profile and outspoken anti-Putinism aided Joe Biden and the Democrats. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:02, November 11, 2022 (EST)

===Kellyanne Conway on the 2022 midterm elections===

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCjDXy78O74 Biden is getting a little over-confident: Ex-Trump adviser]. [[Kellyanne Conway]] says a red tide instead of a red wave happening in the 2022 midterm elections may be a long-term bigger gain because it will help an overconfident Joe Biden decide to run again in 2024. It is widely thought that Joe Biden will lose such an election. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:18, November 10, 2022 (EST)
:bla bla bla. Stop wasting time and space with irrelevant hypotheticals, and focus on the problems now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:22, November 10, 2022 (EST)

:<big>No sane human being alive on the planet today expects Biden to run in 2024, let alone serve a second term.</big> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:24, November 10, 2022 (EST)
::Biden is weak, but his ego is big. I think he will run again. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
=== Political polls vs. political betting markets. Which are more accurate? ===

*[[Essay: Political polls vs. political betting markets. Which are better? Also, there was no red wave in 2022 U.S. midterm elections, but it was a fun red cape to wave in front of Democrats for awhile. Olé! Olé! Olé!|Political polls vs. political betting markets. Which are more accurate?]]

::Neither. And our thinking should not be guided by either.

::Lot in Sodom is probably the world's most famous pollster. And all it turned out to be was a big waste of time and it didn't persuade anybody. Then you have the instance where Pilot polled the crowd. The results evidently were intimidating to the minority. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:18, November 11, 2022 (EST)

===The Narrative to Replace Donald Trump With the Shill Ron DeSantis is in Full Swing===
[https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/the-narrative-to-replace-donald-trump-with-the-shill-ron-desantis-is-in-full-swing/] This was the point of delayed election results, to buy time for this narrative (psyop) to develop. The MAGA candidates in Arizona, Nevada, and Colorado ultimately will win, and there will be a MAGA wave. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 12:32, November 11, 2022 (EST)
:While I personally wouldn't call DeSantis a "shill", he's unwittingly being used by anti-MAGA and GOPe forces to take down Trump AND the influence of the MAGA movement in the GOP. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 12:35, November 11, 2022 (EST)
:[[Joe Kent]]: [https://rumble.com/v1tc6xi-joe-kent-they-are-trying-to-break-your-spirit-psychological-warfare.html They are Trying to Break your Spirit] - [[Psychological Warfare]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]

'''MAGA talking points Update:''' [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/11/its-the-big-ugly-and-were-here-for-it/ It’s The Big Ugly, and We’re Here For It]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:14, November 11, 2022 (EST)

*Raheem Kassam of ''National Pulse'' on Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis show: [https://raheemkassam.substack.com/p/my-must-watch-explainer-of-trump My 'Must Watch' Explainer of Trump v. DeSantis and the 'Red Wave' Expectation Follies.] (Kassem is a conservative commentator who was a former bodyguard for Margaret Thatcher). 93% of Trump-backed candidates win. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:38, November 11, 2022 (EST)
*[[Dick Morris]]: [https://www.dickmorris.com/dont-blame-trump-for-republican-failure/ Don’t Blame Trump For Republican Failure]. "Searching for a chance to scapegoat Donald Trump, the “Never Trumpers” have found a champion, they hope, in Ron DeSantis....If there is one man to blame for the Senate failures in 2022, it is Minority Leader Mitch McConnell." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 17:26, November 11, 2022 (EST)
::Hanlon's razor is an adage or rule of thumb that states "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." If Arizona citizens or the citizens of any other state want speedy election results, they need to stop taking mail-in ballots up until the day of election like they do now. States with speedy election results do not take mail-in ballots past the Sunday (or so many days) before the election. My guess is that the pandemic has increased the number of mail-in ballots. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:11, November 11, 2022 (EST)

*[https://creativedestructionmedia.com/opinion/2022/11/12/the-red-wave-is-real-its-just-being-slow-rolled-and-stolen-the-want-you-demoralized/ The Red Wave Is Real – It’s Just Being Slow-Rolled And Stolen – They Want You Demoralized]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 12:53, November 12, 2022 (EST)

*[https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/youve-been-gaslighted-democrats-just-stole-another-election/ You’ve Been Gaslighted – Democrats Just Stole Another Election]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:07, November 12, 2022 (EST)

*'''Update: Twitter puts Conservativetreehouse link about [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/15/within-minutes-of-arizona-gov-election-call-twitter-dhs-and-big-tech-begin-blocking-discussion-of-difference-between-ballots-and-votes/ "votes vs. ballots" on spam block list as a harmful site.]''' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 04:30, November 16, 2022 (EST)

===Roe v Wade turnout impact===

As I said before and nobody believe me, overturning Roe v Wade would have huge impact on the midterms, and that what happened
young girl turnout for Democrats was +37 --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 20:05, November 12, 2022 (EST)
:That's insufficient data to make a judgement about. Compared to what? Voter turnout among inflation and crime victims? increased turnout among disgruntled Hispanics and other minorities who traditionally voted Democrat? So while you can say turnout increased among a certain segment, that differs from overall impact. Furthermore, it's a one-time impact on federal elections - cause these ill-informed voters don't understand that the repeal of ''Roe v. Wade'' kicked the issue back to the states. ''Roe v. Wade'' has never been an issue in the U.S. Congress, either ''before'' repeal or after - despite a half century of propaganda and billions spent on political advertising. All the repeal did was make it an issue that voters NOW can actually have an impact ''in state elections.'' They should be thankful, if anything, and not angry. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:33, November 12, 2022 (EST)

::As you said ill-informed voters dont understand but they voted for Democrats who promised them that they will codify Roe v Wade. Democrats knew where can they focus their races, while incompetent GOP leader, McCarthy, McConnel, Emmer, Ducey and McDaniel were either focused in deep red districts or deep blue districts {{unsigned}}
:::Well, more power to them if they know how to motivate people to the polls. The problem is the backlash, when voters realize they have been lied to persistently by a deceptive party. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:16, November 12, 2022 (EST)
Trump also has fair share to blame when he endorse bad candidate like Gessioto in Ohio or Hines in North Carolina, and endorsing who called Ultra MAGA candidates in swing districts against electoral juggernaut Democrats like [[J.R. Majewski]] focusing on primary more than general election --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 22:42, November 12, 2022 (EST)
:What is Ultra MAGA? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:16, November 12, 2022 (EST)
:I've been involved in GOP politics for more than half a century, and never heard the term. I have heard it used by a communist dictator and a controlled media, but am not sure what they are talking about. Any idea? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 23:23, November 12, 2022 (EST)

Commenting on what Steve Turley said, the purple states get much bluer and this is because of how many bad candidates there, Oz, Walker, Mastriano and Dixon werent good candidates.

However in big blue state like New York, there was really big red wave there due to energy of [[Lee Zeldin]] who was best GOP candidate in this cycle,
even [[Chuck Schumer]] never had close race like this year, so what Steve Turley wasnt necessarily true. California, Iowa and Delaware there was Red wave as we can say and in Florida it was Red tsunami --[[User:Alex Kosh|Alex Kosh]] ([[User talk:Alex Kosh|talk]]) 20:14, November 12, 2022 (EST)

=== Points generally, and laughs ===

Schadenfreude is a helluva drug, man. The Trump indictment after Warnock dispatches Walker might just finish me off. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:58, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:The GOP is very much the odds on favorites to win a majority in the House of Representatives, although the Democrats still have a chance and a path to victory.[https://electionbettingodds.com/House2022.html][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJwgwC9g3Nc] If the GOP has a majority in the House of Represenatives, it will be significantly harder for Joe Biden to move forward his legislative agenda. In addition, the GOP will spotlight Joe Biden's failures and scandals through investigations. In addition, if the GOP has a majority in the House of Represenatives, the Democrats will have much harder time moving forward their agenda.

:In short, he who laughs last, laughs best. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:44, November 13, 2022 (EST)
::The Republicans need only 6 more House seats to have a majority in the House of Representatives and the Democrats need 15 more seats to have a majority.[https://www.google.com/search?q=2022+midterm+elections&oq=2022+midterm+elections&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0i131i433i512j69i59j69i60l3.4096j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8] The odds are still in the GOP's favor in this matter.[https://electionbettingodds.com/House2022_week.html] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:40, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::There you go again with your MSM talking points - you sound like [[Liz Cheney]]. The Red wave was supposed to wash them in a week ago. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 10:56, November 14, 2022 (EST)
::::The failure of Ben's editorial wishcasting is funny, but at least he's not writing bonkers fan fiction claiming the red tsunami actually happened. Zelensky called from Kherson btw. Said he's got plans for the winter. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 15:55, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::::Yah, I know. The gestapo is cleaning up there. Zelensky got his marching orders from Washington, and now wants to talk peace as the U.S. pivots to Asia. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 15:59, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::::btw, here's a Ukronazi giving the [[fascist]] salute, aired on [[CNN]], to Zelensky and company as they enter Kherson. [https://youtu.be/7GGegRgkyyw] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:37, November 14, 2022 (EST)
::::::Now I've heard this argument before, "Rob, it's not really a Nazi salute cause it's done with the left hand." But then again, Nazis aren't very bright, and don't really follow any particular rule book. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 20:42, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::::::Write in a moon base & I'll engage with your Ukrainian Nazi regime guff. Promise. (I may be persuadable re. a Hollow Earth lair with a seekrit entrance via Antarctica.) [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 17:37, November 15, 2022 (EST)

Prophecy is not easy, which reinforces why [[Bible prophecy]] was so remarkable. Many [[liberal]] experts have predicted for nearly a decade that [[Trump]] would not be the immense political influence that he is.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 18:03, November 14, 2022 (EST)

:FWIW, I'm fully supportive of your efforts to further [[Trumpify GOP|Trumpify the GOP]]. It's swing state magic, guaranteed.

:And FAO Captain R. Cauldron-Smith (Ret.): Haha. No. Kiss goodbye to northern Luhansk as your boys try & hold the "land bridge". [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:14, November 14, 2022 (EST)

::We'll all fry like bacon before that happens. Meanwhile, freezing refugees from Kyiv flee to freeze in Poland and Germany where they're no longer welcomed. Those who stay behind are knee deep in excrement and disease with no running water (same is happening in Kherson, I hear). But with an economy that's shrunk 90% with about a 90% unemployment rate, and its best soldiers long dead, good luck with those Polish, Canadian, and Vietnamese mercenaries on the Lugansk and Zaporozhye front (sure, they make $3,000 a month, but there's nothing to buy in Ukraine, inflation back home eats it all up, and I don't think they have any real loyalty to Ukraine, democracy, or Zelensky. Especially when they realize they're being sent on a suicide mission). The Biden junta evidently wants out [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cia-chief-william-burns-meets-russian-spy-boss-sergey-naryshkin/ar-AA146lIJ] - they're crying "Uncle" long before [[Uncle Vovo]] ever did, who's only getting started. Papa Xi's already waiting for them, too. And since the Biden junta has to buy 152mm shells from [[South Korea]] for the howitzers it donated to Ukraine, it'll be a whole lot easier knocking out that source. Kim jong-un can do it without Uncle Vovo or Papa Xi rolling up their sleeves.
::Face it, Blinken and Sullivan bit off a bit more than they can chew. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 19:56, November 14, 2022 (EST)
 
::If the [[Dropbox Dems]] really think [[Trump]] helps their side, then they can vote to elect him [[Speaker of the House]]!--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] ([[User talk:Aschlafly|talk]]) 21:44, November 14, 2022 (EST)
:::ConwayIII, have you read the essay: [[Essay: Donald Trump's glorious victories|Donald Trump's glorious victories]]?

:::God works in mysterious ways. Just as Samson was not particularly religious, Trump is not particularly religious. Even if the Biden Admnistration imprisons Trump, he already took a wrecking ball to much of the American liberal temple. CNN, the fake news organization, is just a shadow of its former self. Facebook, run by Mr. Zucker who used a ton of Zuckerbucks to influence the 2020 election, is seeing his social media empire shrivel. As you may recall, Samson (who was imprisoned) eventually took down the Phlistine's Temple.

:::Even if Trump is not elected in 2024, or even if he is imprisoned which might make him stronger by making him a political martyr, Trumpism will live on. The working class is moving to the GOP and that includes Latinos and Black males.

:::Also, read the essays [[Essay: Andy Schlafly, Phyllis Schlafly and the Amish. All they do is win against secular leftists (Rap song)|Andy Schlafly, Phyllis Schlafly and the Amish. All they do is win against secular leftists (Rap song)]] and [[Essay: Attention British, militant atheists! Brace yourself for the mighty, religious wave that is coming|Attention British, militant atheists! Brace yourself for the mighty, religious wave that is coming]]

:::Resistance is futile. And I trust this helps further clarify things for you. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:51, November 15, 2022 (EST)

::Robert Barnes: [https://youtu.be/jBDGjQHbWGQ "Imagine if Putin run an election, and a week later they were still counting votes in Moscow."] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 14:46, November 15, 2022 (EST)

== ''New York Times'' sees Fetterman as a model ==

No, I am not kidding. This is the headline on today's NYT: "[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/13/us/politics/fetterman-pennsylvania-voters-democrats.html Democrats See a Blueprint in Fetterman's Victory in Pennsylvania]." What's the "Fetterman blueprint"? First, you have a debilitating stroke. Keep the extent of your injuries secret until most mail-in ballots are already sent in. Then you let an AI program tell you what to say at the only debate. If anyone questions the ethics of this strategy, tell them they are phobic against people with disabilities. If that's not enough, find another homeless guy to attack Paul Pelosi. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:09, November 13, 2022 (EST)
:Better yet, have the homeless who attacked Pelosi run for Senate. He seems representative of the people of California. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 21:02, November 13, 2022 (EST)

== Jimmy Dore on the main page - Ukrainian giving Nazi salute during Ukrainian celebration parade over victory in Kherson. ==

I realize that Jimmy Dore is not a conservative comedian. But I laughed when Jimmy Dore said that the Ukrainian was hailing a cab and not giving a Nazi salute (see: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px51U_pfOB4 CNN Banned From Ukraine After Showing N@zi Salute])

Funny is funny. I find Jimmy Dore to be a funny comedian even though he leans to left politically. I like his "stickin' it to the man" kind of comedy."[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:46, November 15, 2022 (EST)
:My favorite is this one, [https://youtu.be/2rHqT-Bsmkg "Son of a gun. It's a swastika!"] He criticizes ''Reuters'' cuz it happened again right after ''Reuters'' did [[Ukrainian_propaganda_war#Chemical_weapons|this one with the victorious Ukrainian troops]] who took Kharkov with paintball guns. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 00:23, November 16, 2022 (EST)
::NBC News is the only legacy media company willing to admit that Ukraine has a significant Nazi problem. I agree with the NBC News article [https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/ukraine-has-nazi-problem-vladimir-putin-s-denazification-claim-war-ncna1290946 Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't].

::I believe that Putin went into Ukraine for various reasons (Ukraine was looking to join NATO which Putin/Kremlin didn't like, gas reserves found in Eastern Ukraine, Russian nationalists in Eastern Ukraine treated badly by Ukraine, Orange Revolution may have been largely/significantly instigated by CIA and Western NGOs, etc.). I don't think de-Nazisifiction is the big reason why Putin went into Ukraine. Ukraine has had a Nazi problem for some time. In addition, the Russians don't have a great reputation on how they treat Jews with their various pograms, etc. And I have met many Jews who fled Russia due to discrimination. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 04:50, November 16, 2022 (EST)

:::This generation of Russians hasn't committed any pogroms, any more than you should have to pay [[reparations]] to [[African American]]s for slavery. The legacy of both Czarism ''and'' Soviet Communism is, Russia has the most "[[tolerance]] for [[diversity]]" on the planet.

:::Putin went into Ukraine on February 24 because the NATO trained army had amassed 120,000 troops - half the Ukraine army at that time - along essentially what is the front line of contact right now. And that army, with NATO-backing, tanks and artillery, was set to begin rolling over civilians on March 8, who were defending themselves with a 40,000 man militia.

::::So while American media was echoing Biden [[DNI]] [[Avril Haines]] day-after-day since November 2021, screaming "Putin has amassed 120,000 troops on Ukraine's border!", it ignored Russian media and Putin saying "Ukraine has amassed 120,000 troops along the [[Donbas]]!" (all of this is a matter of cited record in [[Conservapedia]]), as well as the fact ''who'' those troops were, i.e. Nazis, and their record of atrocities for the past 8 years.

::::America engineered this war, and America wanted this war.

:::As to the Nazis, yes, they've been there a long time. But it was the US that empowered them in 2014. Like Jimmy Dore said, if you didn't like the Putin-backed regime, you vote them out. You don't hire a bunch of Nazis to kill people. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 05:24, November 16, 2022 (EST)

::::Go back and watch the Vladimir Pozner video. He says how the Russian people listened to America for many years talk about democracy. Then they gave in and tried it in 1991. Not 15 years later, under Obama and [[Victoria Nuland]], America flushed "democracy" down the toilet by empowering the Nazis. They won't be fooled again. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 05:33, November 16, 2022 (EST)
Societies change slowly. A society can't "try" democracy, it has to fully commit to it and thoroughly educate its population. Conquered Germany and Japan were literally forced to practice democracy after WWII which is an irony of history. The USA was enough of a benevolent occupier of Germany and Japan that democracy took root. For example, [[Douglas MacArthur]] helped "the Japanese to recover from the aftermath of the war—poverty, starvation and despair."[https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3123&context=etd] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:15, November 16, 2022 (EST)
:As Vladimir Pozner said, ''why didn't America offer Russia a [[Marshall Plan]] after 1991?'' They did the [[fascist]] countries, but not Russia. Instead, they sent in all the [[globalist]] looters. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:31, November 16, 2022 (EST)

::So let's ask: ''Why are Ukrainian schoolchildren taught to give the Nazi salute (by extension - "taught to hate")?''

::Answer: Cause since 1945, the Soviet Union came down hard on people who gave the Nazi salute, displayed Nazi insignia, or shared Nazi ideas. Likewise in Germany and much of all Central and Western Europe laws were passed against open displayal of Nazi symbols, [[Holocaust denial]], etc. In the [[United States]], we adopted "[[hate speech]]" laws since the 1970s. In Ukraine, the anti-[[extremist]] laws and enforcement remained in place after 1991. However, unlike Germany, the Nazi party ''was not'' outlawed, and various Nazi groups ''were'' elected to Parliament in the name of "democracy", albeit a minority.

::In the years before the Maidan coup, the United States began emboldening these groups, and the "Russian-backed" government's secret police, the Bercut, became overwhelmed and could no longer deal with number of extremists (in the old days, the Bercut would just kidnap them, beat them up, and blacklist them from employment, kinda like the KGB did for many years.} The U.S. money pumped into Ukraine offered these blacklisted extremists income and employment, if they'd just do Western globalists dirty work and help overthrow the "Russia-backed regime".

::So that's what you have today, a bunch of Russia haters who proudly wear the swastika, kinda like waving a red flag before a bull, whereas the whole Russian civilization of 130 ethnic groups have for centuries lived by the words, "we must love each other, or we must die." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:17, November 16, 2022 (EST)
:::[[Cleft country|Cleft countries]], like Ukraine, are powderkegs. Trump handled the Russia/Ukrainian situation well. Biden/Harris did not. That's the sad truth of the situation. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:21, November 16, 2022 (EST)
::::That's just it - the cleft country of Ukraine is an artificial creation. And the borders now will be redrawn. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:22, November 16, 2022 (EST)

::::And no, Trump did not handle it well - he was impeached over it. And he was accused of being a Russian stooge from day one, which destroyed his ability to govern. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 06:24, November 16, 2022 (EST)
The Democrats are an unreasonable lot who wanted to impeach at the drop of a hat. The whole Biden/Ukraine/bribery issue should have been investigated. "...to search out a matter is the glory of kings." - Proverbs 25:2. I realize that Trump was not a king, but he was head of state and the executive branch should investigate wrongdoing at the federal level.

Sometimes it takes time to resolve matters. It does look like there is a recession coming and Biden is very unpopular. A Republican president will likely be elected in 2024.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enjBl33gYzM][https://electionbettingodds.com/President2024.html]

Anyways, I am going to bow out of the conversation. I want to take care of some things before the beginning of the day. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 06:36, November 16, 2022 (EST)

:OMG, ''"A Republican president will likely be elected in 2024."'' Please please please, don't start that again. History is organic, let it play out. Even be part of it. But give up this gypsie fortune telling crap, please. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]][[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']] 13:57, November 16, 2022 (EST)

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