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Line 1,141: − − == Bakhmut == − − Putin may have lost Izium and Kherson, but [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRjnbACvsXs he's betting the farm on another offensive], this time against Bakhmut. It hard to see how this idea can work out to his benefit. If Russia takes the city, it will be oligarch and Wagner Group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin who gets the credit. That can't be what Putin wants since Prigozhin is a loose canon who publicly criticizes the regular army and is already being mentioned as an alternative to Putin. The plan to take Bakhmut was drawn up as half of a pincer movement back when Russia held Izium. Now its one hand clapping. If Russia is in a position to take Bakhmut, why did it give up Kherson? The terrain worked against Russia in Kherson, but that is also true in Bakhmut. The Ukrainian artillery is firing from behind hills, a tactic called defilade. Perhaps Putin has been reduced to desperately hoping for a win somewhere, anywhere like Hitler in the Battle of Bulge. Bakhmut is a center of salt production. In Peter the Great's day, people built fortresses and fought battles to control the salt trade. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 15:06, November 21, 2022 (EST) − :The Battle of Atremorsk (''Ukrainian: Bakhmut'') has been going on all summer. Bakhmut, on the high ground is the key to the whole Donbass front. [[Avdiivka]], about 30 km outside [[Donetsk]] is the big problem. Avdivvka has been shelling Donetsk for 8 years, killing civilians. Avdiivka is dug in like the North Korea Demilitarized Zone. − :The pincer movement from Bakhmut will head south against Avdivvka (in addition to being able to retake the Russian cities of Kramatorsk to the NW, and a defensive movement to protect Lysychansk). − {|class="infobox" style="float:right; font-size:85%; width:1ex; line-height:17px; margin: 0px 0px 5px 50px" cellpadding="1" − |[[File:Kherson front-1.PNG|350px]] − |[[File:Kherson front-2.PNG|350px]] − |- − |colspan="3"|<hr/>(left) Existing Kherson border (right) proposed new border by the Zelensky regime. [https://kurtnimmo.substack.com/p/russians-say-ukronazis-will-blow] − |} − :As to Kherson, the Ukies are currently evacuating the other half of the population which did not evacuate to Russia already. Apparently, at one point or other, one side or the other will finally destroy the Nova Kakohova dam and create a new border 15 kilometers wide using the Dnieper River between Russia and whatever is left of Ukraine or the "Polish Ukraine Commonwealth". This would leave the Russian city of Odessa under Ukrainian occupation. Kherson, like the ancient Egyptian city of Thebes when UUSR built the Aswan dam, will forever be underwater. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:24, November 21, 2022 (EST) − :Meantime, your sources are crap, and your spewing Nazi bs. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:25, November 21, 2022 (EST) − :The Russian objective is to destroy Ukraine/NATO military, not capture territory. The Russians will cede territory to lay a trap for a miliary that thinks it's all about capturing territory. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:27, November 21, 2022 (EST) − − :As to Ulegedar on the [[Zaporozhye]] line, you have the same problem. It sits on the high ground, NATO/Ukraine has transferred about 40,000 troops from the Kherson front to Ulegedar and all along the Donbas front. From a military/strategic perspective, the best strategy is to try to invade Russia from Ulegedar and capture [[Mariupol]], splitting Russian forces in half. This not only is the most practical and strategic move, it's also the most dangerous and idiotic. It would guarantee Poland, Ramstein, Brussels, London, Washington, and probably New York getting nuked if it even came close to any success. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:36, November 21, 2022 (EST) − ::PeterKa, Kherson is on the Western side of river and the Ukrainians attacked a bridge so it was difficult to feed a supply line to from the Eastern side. The Russians were smart to give it up because they were not using it to attack another place. "The history of war proves that nine out of ten times an army has been destroyed because its supply lines have been cut off...” - General [[Douglas MacArthur]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:47, November 21, 2022 (EST) − − :::The city of Kherson likely will be no more, with the new border 15 km behind it. − :::Oh, and the idiot from the Military and Foreign Affairs Network was wrong. He said the subways of Kharkov would create problems for Russia in an urban environment with their ability to move troops around. Duh, the subways are electric. And these are the idiots who've been giving their "expert" analysis since February. − :::Frankly, I'm really getting tired and losing patience over listening to this Nazi bs and propaganda we've been subjected to since February. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 15:52, November 21, 2022 (EST) − ::::Nearly all the Nazis are dead and buried. Now there are neo-Nazis. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:01, November 21, 2022 (EST) − :::::Nah, these are old school Nazis the US supports in their beliefs and value system. Neo-Nazis are just wannabees. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:06, November 21, 2022 (EST) − ::::::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/dl9eMylKRrD8/ WAGNER CAPTURED UKRO-NAZI INTELLIGENCE OFFICER - SPEAKS ABOUT HIS LOVE FOR HITLER AND NAZIS]. − ::::::I can't wait to see Biden, [[Jake Sullivan]], and [[Jens Stoltenberg]] explain themselves to this group of interrogators. They'll get a fair hearing and trial. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 18:44, November 21, 2022 (EST) − ::::::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/LvTjL4RHn3BQ/ AMERICAN MERCENARY RETURNED FROM UKRAINE - HAS VERY EYE OPENING WORDS ABOUT HIS SERVICE THERE]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 18:55, November 21, 2022 (EST) − − − ::::Kherson was probably an original "Potemkin Village". Potemkin was buried there. The Russians took the stature to [[Catherine the Great]], who founded the city, and Potemkin's bones with them. What does that tell you? They were (legitimately) afraid of Nazi vandalism, or they plan on destroying the dam and burying alive 25,000 NATO troops? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:14, November 21, 2022 (EST) − :::::TL;DR regarding all the recent extensive updates filled with jargon. I caught up with the news on the rocket attack in Poland which was evidently perpetrated by the Ukrainian puppet government. What else is going on in the war between Russo-imperialists and Ukrofascists? —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|<sup>(The Old Right was right!)</sup>]]''''' Monday, 16:23, November 21, 2022 (EST) − ::::::Na-zilensky is on the way out; if his Nazi bodyguards don't get him first, he's soon to take his looted millions and flee. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:27, November 21, 2022 (EST) − :::::::That reminds me, it's funny that most leftists think it's "antisemitic" to highlight Zelensky's evil ties simply because of his Jewish heritage. It's essentially a variation of the "friend argument," akin to their other forms of left-wing deception like "Margaret Sanger had black friends" or "BLM is supported by Jewish organizations." [https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/zelenskyy-is-not-a-jewish-hero/ This op-ed] in ''The Times of Israel'' brilliantly summarizes the matter. —[[User:Liberaltears|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:Liberaltears|<sup>(The Old Right was right!)</sup>]]''''' Monday, 16:33, November 21, 2022 (EST) − ::::::::The guy who plotted the [[Final Solution]] was Jewish. So is [[Soros]]. − ::::::::I've been reluctant to add the poop I got on Na-ziensky's successor, [[Valerii Zaluzhnyi]]. He has girlfriends all over Ukraine 20 years younger as he rides around pretending to be [[commander-in-chief]], but it'll just be accused of being Russian propaganda. By the time [[Mark Milley]] and Biden regime hail him as the courageous new leader and defender of democracy, we should have some more sourcing. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 16:37, November 21, 2022 (EST) − :::::::::Can you elaborate on who you're referring to when you say "The guy who plotted the Final Solution was Jewish?"--[[User:Geopolitician|Geopolitician]] ([[User talk:Geopolitician|talk]]) 01:30, November 23, 2022 (EST) − ::::::::::[[Heydrich]]. But I don't want to get into a lengthy back and forth rehash of the evidence. I base my judgement and opinion on the fact that he believed it was so. I'm not trying to force my view or opinion on the matter on anyone, as I realize it is controversial. I don't believe there is any reference to it in his CP bio, and if it appears someday, I would carefully make sure all opposing views were represented, and allow readers to make their own considered judgement, and not impose my own opinion on the matter, which is exactly that, a considered judgment and opinion based upon years of extensive reading on the subject. As I said, I believe it cause I believe he believed it, which means both of us could be wrong. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 04:50, November 23, 2022 (EST) − ::::::::[https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZJN9FfuNhLXU/ Polish Man Tells Zelensky What He Thinks About His Falseflag]. − ::::::::Here's the glorious thing about modern social media and internet - we don't have to have ideas and discussion filtered through MSM and intelligence services - we can get an inkling of public opinion and reaction directly from the horse's mouth. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 14:33, November 22, 2022 (EST) − − − In case anyone here cares, Bakhmut is easy to explain. Wagner has a contract with the Russian gov. that stipulates a price per formation (men + materiel, etc.) delivered into action. PMCs obviously exist to make money, so there'll always be a healthy margin attached and, if tactical / strategic results are factored in at all, it'll be in the form of bonus payments, rather than any scaling / clawback on the (profitable) basic rate. − − '''tl;dr:''' Prigozhin makes money whether or not these formations get obliterated or achieve anything militarily useful, so it's always in his interest to keep recruiting & feeding the meatgrinder. − − Helluva way to make a living. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:16, November 21, 2022 (EST) − :Oh, maybe Russia was better off before it introduced capitalism and the profit motive? Is that what you're saying? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 18:23, November 21, 2022 (EST) − ::I don't know what you're complaining about. Wagner mercs make a little under $1,000 a month. NATO mercs make $3,000 (unless they're from Africa, then about $2,000}. What? It's unholy for Russians to pay $1,000 a month but sacred for the US Congress through Zelensky to pay $3,000? Oh, I forget, I'm speaking with a [[Russophobic]] [[bigot]]s. Pardon me. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:57, November 25, 2022 (EST) − − :'''Update:''' [https://youtu.be/Bz7jzQgeiIo The 58th Separate Motorized Infantry Brigade of Armed Forces of Ukraine in Bakhmut, said they were in a desperate situation against invading Russian forces of PMC Wagner Group. The unit appealed to Volodymyr Zelenskyy as the president of Ukraine and to Valeriy Fezerevich as Commander-in-Chief of the National Security Service to solve their problem. Sources posted on social media on November 24, they withdrew from their assigned positions despite the danger during the execution of orders. But they stepped back from their positions to protect their lives.] − :[https://www.bitchute.com/video/sV8PTdsI3JOX/ UKROIDS IN BAKHMUT EXPERIENCE EARLY RUSSIAN CHRISTMAS]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 17:53, November 24, 2022 (EST) − − :'''Update:''' A lot of war news happening today. You won't be able to catch up by Monday. Nobody told them today is holiday, or tomorrow Black Friday, or the weekend is for rest. By Monday when MSM and intelligence propagandists start broadcasting their cover stories for how the situation has changed, it'll be unrecognizable from how Westerners think they understand the war now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 23:15, November 24, 2022 (EST) − − :'''Bakhmut update:''' [[Prigozhin]] has pretty well spelled out to the Ukraine public what the objective in Bakhmut is: another [[Verdun]]. So, let's say the troops recruited from prison cannot sustain a kill ratio of 7:1 that the Russians have enjoyed since February, and that falls to 5:1. The Ukrainian public already knows they cannot win a war of attrition against Russia, but Russia's throwing its human garbage from prison into the fight, and Ukraine now will be losing its upstanding citizens, fathers and grandfathers (cause the flower of the nation has already been lost) into the fight. Is it worth losing 5 dads for every one Russian prison con, murderer, or drug addict? You decide. Zelensky doesn't care, and it's all being done on your dime. But the Russians are willing to go all winter at it, while the US and NATO are out of weapons and ammunition (even before the big fight at Taiwan starts). So, we can keep printing dollar bills for Zelensky to [[kickback]] into Democrat campaign coffers, to sign [[MIC]] contracts for delivery in 2 or 3 years, and continue to destroy the US, European, and your own personal economic situation. Or you can repent, come to Jesus, and say "I will not support [[Nazism]] any longer." It's a decision each one of us must make. The outcome is dependent on you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 05:16, November 28, 2022 (EST) − − :Oh, and when Prigozhin takes over, you're going to long for the days of Putin. He doesn't like Nazis any more than Stalin of Putin did, least of all Nazis like [[Robert Mueller]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 05:18, November 28, 2022 (EST) − − :'''Update:''' Alexander Mercouris responds to MSM racist attacks alleging Ukrainian democracy defenders against Russian asiatic hordes. [https://youtu.be/QzXhhuT2aFU?t=289] − − ===Reading the tea leaves=== − Notorious Nazi bigot and [[holocaust denier]], former Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany [[Andriy Melnyk]], [https://archive.ph/trYTE] was recalled from Berlin to Kyiv back in July. Melynk now has been promoted to Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine. [https://newsrnd.com/news/2022-11-18-ukraine--ex-ambassador-andriy-melnyk-is-now-deputy-foreign-minister.SJkZf8rLs.html] − − Rather than being disciplined for outrageous conduct, [https://twitter.com/Dostojewski1821/status/1587523611442675717] he's been promoted. − − '''Interpretation:''' As Ukraine is on the ropes, the [[Nazi]]s in the regime are gaining strength and power internally in the government. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:07, November 24, 2022 (EST) − − :So, Mark Milley has disassociated himself from the deadenders like Sullivan, Blinken, Zelensky, Melnyk, BoJo, [[Ursula von der Leyen]] and other Nazis who want to die with the Fuhrer in the bunker. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:22, November 24, 2022 (EST) − − :What would have happened, can you imagine, if Hitler suddenly called timeout and asked for peace talks when the Russians were 30 miles outside Berlin? A point is crossed in war were talking doesn't matter or happen anymore, and when NATO sets up a "Russian regime-in-exile", that pretty much invokes [[Russia#Nuclear_Doctrine|Russia's own nuclear doctrine]] allowing a first nuclear strike when existence of the state is threatened. Say goodbye to the European Union, Putin's putative successor has formally dissolved it. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:35, November 24, 2022 (EST) − − :Oh, but you say, 'That was 1945. With modern weapons and technology, no way could Russia ever march 2,400 miles from Stalingrad to Berlin.' See how Western propaganda has rotted your mind? And they don't have to march or occupy Berlin. With modern weapons and technology, there are other ways to deal with Brussels or the Pentagon. Bakhmut is nothing. And talking has stopped. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:41, November 24, 2022 (EST) − − ::You might have a point re. attrition if your boys could have mustered a kill ratio anywhere near 1:1, never mind your crazy numbers. Instead, the cream & most of the fresh milk of the Russian army has already been poured out into the soil of Ukraine, and what's left has curdled into something so toxic and ineffectual that no amount of topping-up is going to restore it as an effective fighting force in the next few years. − − ::Mobilise all you want. You can't train them up. You can't properly equip them. You can't even reliably provide adequate food, clothing & shelter. This winter is going to kill so many mobiks so quickly that we might even see some serious goodwill gestures in time for the Russian Orthodox Christmas. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:30, November 28, 2022 (EST) − − :::You're obviously another victim of [[ISW]] propaganda. Go ahead, try and plead that before a de-nazification tribunal, see how far it gets you. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a chance'']]</sup> 20:21, November 28, 2022 (EST)
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