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→Anti-homosexual violence: None of these stats take this into account.
:[[User:RobS|RobS]], when you say ''the FBI is mandated by law to keep track of protected groups in hate crime reporting'' it seems like you believe that the law requires '''all''' crimes against homosexuals to be reported as anti-homosexual hate crimes. Do I have this right? This is not my understanding of the law, and I think all our differences hinge on this one point. If you are right, then I would agree with much of what you are saying - the FBI statistics would be virtually meaningless. Or are you making a more nuanced argument? Something like "police officers may mistakenly perceive any crime against a homosexual as a hate crime, especially if they do not determine the sexual orientation of the offender, thus they may include crimes in the statistics that do not belong there (for example gay-on-gay domestic violence crimes)". Am I getting closer to understanding you? Either way, do you have any references to flesh out your concerns? --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 13:20, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
:[[User:RobS|RobS]], when you say ''the FBI is mandated by law to keep track of protected groups in hate crime reporting'' it seems like you believe that the law requires '''all''' crimes against homosexuals to be reported as anti-homosexual hate crimes. Do I have this right? This is not my understanding of the law, and I think all our differences hinge on this one point. If you are right, then I would agree with much of what you are saying - the FBI statistics would be virtually meaningless. Or are you making a more nuanced argument? Something like "police officers may mistakenly perceive any crime against a homosexual as a hate crime, especially if they do not determine the sexual orientation of the offender, thus they may include crimes in the statistics that do not belong there (for example gay-on-gay domestic violence crimes)". Am I getting closer to understanding you? Either way, do you have any references to flesh out your concerns? --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 13:20, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
::As I've stated above, the investigating officer or agency must make a determiantion.
::Now, let's marry two threads here. There has been extensive discussion on several pages about [[Homophobia]], and I believe I have effectively made the argument than many, if not most, "homophobes" who seek psychiatric treatment today are homosexual. It would not be surprising given this, that there is a certain amount of gay-on-gay anti-homosexual violence, and much may be occurring in gay domestic relationships. Or it could occur even randomly or anonymously in the gay lifestyle, that is to say a gay person, unhappy with himself for being attracted to to members of the same sex, or blaming gays for making him attracted to them, vents his anger at himself and gays for being invovled in the homosexual lifestyle. None of these reporting statisitcs, mandated by law, be they "hate crime" stats, or domestic violence stats, allow for taking this into account. [[User:RobS|RobS]] 13:36, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
== References for Anti-homosexual violence discussion ==
== References for Anti-homosexual violence discussion ==